custom growth factors

[Stevo1]

Thanks lilpauly, Hellhouser and Adam K for your contributions;

New to contributing but see my history below for hopefully some credibility..chuckle

Quick question...why do think this Growth Factor will be any different than the following

1. AQ growth factors (see below..used on & off since 1/2010..met inventor...nice guy...answers all my scientific questions...initially great results, but less effective now. Hence my friendly suggestion is not to over use the Anagen ones and built up a tolerance too them like it seems like I did with A&Q GF's))
2. ReGenrXx with nano growth factors
3. Caregen Growth Factors

Thanks for your time in advance

[lilpauly]

Thanks lilpauly, Hellhouser and Adam K for your contributions;

New to contributing but see my history below for hopefully some credibility..chuckle

Quick question...why do think this Growth Factor will be any different than the following

1. AQ growth factors (see below..used on & off since 1/2010..met inventor...nice guy...answers all my scientific questions...initially great results, but less effective now. Hence my friendly suggestion is not to over use the Anagen ones and built up a tolerance too them like it seems like I did with A&Q GF's))
2. ReGenrXx with nano growth factors
3. Caregen Growth Factors

Thanks for your time in advance

hi man these factors were used in the studies last year. alot of the factors in itare also used in histogen. Anagen clearly states how much factors are in the solution. as for ersults only time will tell. lol im hoping they are as good as the studies

[Stevo1]

Thanks for the reply lilpauly,

I try to do my homework 1st(not be lazy) and read all the prior post 1st before asking specific questions.....Hence,

1) based on your response you are talking about the one the univesity did (on your 1st post...I thought maybe you were referring to a different one) that Anagen is re-duplicating?

2) Sounds like Anagen is adding a few other things in addition...ie Histogen. Hence, what are the other things Histogen used that the above study did not use....and that Anagen may be adding?


I was trying to compare all the growth factors between Anagen, Histogen, AQ, GenerXx to see what the difference was...I will try and do a little more digging

Either way I was going to order today.


I did not realize my profile did not show up at the bottom of my original message to you...here it is...I think this would be helpful for some?


Biography
-Started losing hair at 15, now 50. Should of been slick bald by 25.
-NW7 pattern outline, but still have active/alive miniturezed diffused blond hairs in balding area due to using list below.STRONG DHT genetics...products eventually lose effectiveness
-Followd hair forums since 1999. Stopped contributing yrs ago due to rudeness..sorry
1. Minoxidil s/1986, Dutrastride s/2002
2. Proxiphen on/off since 1990,otherwise would of been slick bald by 30..thanks Dr. P
3. AQ hair growth factors on/off since 2010,Met Doctor-good guy. Just ordered Anagen GF
4. Iron-Dragon Indo/Chromo since 11/12...Ordered Pre-Mix ID CB-03-01
5. Dermrolling again..harder

[hellouser]

1. Minoxidil since 1986

When I say hair loss sufferers are complacent, as is the general public, this is EXACTLY what I mean. To be on the same fvcking inferior treatment for nearly 30 years without anything superior is a monumental failure.

God DAMN IT, why are we still relying on Minox and oral DHT inhibitors in 2013?!

[lilpauly]

Thanks for the reply lilpauly,

I try to do my homework 1st(not be lazy) and read all the prior post 1st before asking specific questions.....Hence,

1) based on your response you are talking about the one the univesity did (on your 1st post...I thought maybe you were referring to a different one) that Anagen is re-duplicating?

2) Sounds like Anagen is adding a few other things in addition...ie Histogen. Hence, what are the other things Histogen used that the above study did not use....and that Anagen may be adding?


I was trying to compare all the growth factors between Anagen, Histogen, AQ, GenerXx to see what the difference was...I will try and do a little more digging

Either way I was going to order today.


I did not realize my profile did not show up at the bottom of my original message to you...here it is...I think this would be helpful for some?


Biography
-Started losing hair at 15, now 50. Should of been slick bald by 25.
-NW7 pattern outline, but still have active/alive miniturezed diffused blond hairs in balding area due to using list below.STRONG DHT genetics...products eventually lose effectiveness
-Followd hair forums since 1999. Stopped contributing yrs ago due to rudeness..sorry
1. Minoxidil s/1986, Dutrastride s/2002
2. Proxiphen on/off since 1990,otherwise would of been slick bald by 30..thanks Dr. P
3. AQ hair growth factors on/off since 2010,Met Doctor-good guy. Just ordered Anagen GF
4. Iron-Dragon Indo/Chromo since 11/12...Ordered Pre-Mix ID CB-03-01
5. Dermrolling again..harder

Hi man I also like proxiphen it's one of the best treatments for hairlines . Dr p knows he's stuff.

[Stevo1]

Hi Hellhouser..

I agree with your assessment....for me let me expand a little...chuckle

• Biography
-Started losing hair at 15, now 50. Should have been slick bald by 25.
-NW7 pattern outline, but still have larg qty of active/alive miniaturized diffused blond hairs in balding area due to using product list below.
-STRONG DHT genetics... NOTE..all products below eventually lose effectiveness for ME and thus need to rotate.
-Followed hair forums since 1999. Stopped contributing yrs ago due to rudeness..sorry. Back on again if civil, since exciting recent stuff and may have something to add from experience.

Regimen History:

1. Minoxidil s/1986 off label pre FDA.. including Lewenberg, Promox, NOTE: Once my hair miniaturized to a certain point I cannot use any product with ALCHOLAL. My hairs are not healthy enough to take it.
2. Finastride 1998-2002-off label pre FDA,Dutastride s/2002 off label
3. Proxiphen on/off since 1990, otherwise would of been slick bald by 30..thanks Dr. P….he was way ahead of his time…ie inflammation.
4. AQ hair growth factors on/off since 2010, met Inventor..good guy.


Current Regimen:

5. MinAgent (Minoxidil) ADVANCED now with nano x200 penetration.
6. Iron-Dragon Indo/Chromo since Nov 2013…. NOTE: stopped there OTHER PDG2 blockers (Ramotron/Cloperstal), not effective…like everyone else reported. NOTE: I think this is due to them using alcohol unlike Indo/Chromo.
7. Dermrolling again.. pressing harder now and only once a week like recent study.

Future Additions:

8. Just ordered Anagen-Nano GF..sounds good but the KEY is activating “progenitor cells”, otherwise stem cells will not be activated. See may studies including visiting “stemcelex” read the scientific section. Hence, why I think AQ growth factors (#4) lost its dramtic positive effect after a few weeks.
9. Pre-Ordered Iron Dragon CB-03-01-pre-mixed…I know it’s made with alcohol, but maybe if used only once or twice a week It will be ok for ME due to #1 above?. I will let everyone know.

[StayThick]

Future Additions

8. Just ordered Anagen-Nano GF..sounds good but the KEY is activating “progenitor cells”, otherwise stem cells will not be activated. See may studies including visiting “stemcelex” read the scientific section. Hence, why I think AQ growth factors (#4) lost its dramtic positive effect after a few weeks.
9. Pre-Ordered Iron Dragon CB-03-01-pre-mixed…I know it’s made with alcohol, but maybe if used only once or twice a week It will be ok for ME due to #1 above?. I will let everyone know.

How do you plan on activating the "progenitor cells" with the GF's?? Curious to how you plan on achieving this...

[Jazz1]

When I say hair loss sufferers are complacent, as is the general public, this is EXACTLY what I mean. To be on the same fvcking inferior treatment for nearly 30 years without anything superior is a monumental failure.

God DAMN IT, why are we still relying on Minox and oral DHT inhibitors in 2013?!

That's Because they don't want to cure you but treat you, make more money through treating.

[Jazz1]

Hi Hellhouser..

I agree with your assessment....for me let me expand a little...chuckle

• Biography
-Started losing hair at 15, now 50. Should have been slick bald by 25.
-NW7 pattern outline, but still have larg qty of active/alive miniaturized diffused blond hairs in balding area due to using product list below.
-STRONG DHT genetics... NOTE..all products below eventually lose effectiveness for ME and thus need to rotate.
-Followed hair forums since 1999. Stopped contributing yrs ago due to rudeness..sorry. Back on again if civil, since exciting recent stuff and may have something to add from experience.

Regimen History:

1. Minoxidil s/1986 off label pre FDA.. including Lewenberg, Promox, NOTE: Once my hair miniaturized to a certain point I cannot use any product with ALCHOLAL. My hairs are not healthy enough to take it.
2. Finastride 1998-2002-off label pre FDA,Dutastride s/2002 off label
3. Proxiphen on/off since 1990, otherwise would of been slick bald by 30..thanks Dr. P….he was way ahead of his time…ie inflammation.
4. AQ hair growth factors on/off since 2010, met Inventor..good guy.


Current Regimen:

5. MinAgent (Minoxidil) ADVANCED now with nano x200 penetration.
6. Iron-Dragon Indo/Chromo since Nov 2013…. NOTE: stopped there OTHER PDG2 blockers (Ramotron/Cloperstal), not effective…like everyone else reported. NOTE: I think this is due to them using alcohol unlike Indo/Chromo.
7. Dermrolling again.. pressing harder now and only once a week like recent study.

Future Additions:

8. Just ordered Anagen-Nano GF..sounds good but the KEY is activating “progenitor cells”, otherwise stem cells will not be activated. See may studies including visiting “stemcelex” read the scientific section. Hence, why I think AQ growth factors (#4) lost its dramtic positive effect after a few weeks.
9. Pre-Ordered Iron Dragon CB-03-01-pre-mixed…I know it’s made with alcohol, but maybe if used only once or twice a week It will be ok for ME due to #1 above?. I will let everyone know.

How's the pdg2 work for you?

My friend is using Indo chromo too and he has stopped all hairloss since 2 months now. I ordered it as back up all four, keep me posted on this cb stuff please. Have you tried using all four pdg2 blockers together seeing if that helps better?

[Jazz1]

I recently ditched proxiphen thinking it was bullshit and lost some ground slightly. Loads people have reported the same but now I'm back on proxiphen I should regaine my hair as people reported regaining it back once they resumed it.

[Imalmostbald]

I got the growth factors, nothing to report atm. Absorbs nicely though, and no side effects here (as suspected)

[Stevo1]

How's the pdg2 work for you?

My friend is using Indo chromo too and he has stopped all hairloss since 2 months now. I ordered it as back up all four, keep me posted on this cb stuff please. Have you tried using all four pdg2 blockers together seeing if that helps better?

Hello Jazz1

Probably not clear in item#6 in my original post. Let me clarify.

1) Have used Cromoglycate & Indomethian combo since Nov/2012. Like most everyone, seemed to stop my hairloss and was starting to thicken up based on synergistic effect of other items I use in my original post.

2) Since Ramatroban & D-Cloprostenal are TRUE PDG2 BLOCKERS I used this when they became available ~April/May/2013....With just two applications it destroyed my hair and made my hair very weak. Hence, confirming in my original history post why after 35 years of balding I cannot tolerate any product with high alchohol content anymore. Make sure you check my history section as this is very PERTINANT TO MANY users on the forums.

3) Went back on cromo/indo but does not seem to be as effective for May, June, July. Part of this may have been leaving it in my car one day when it was hot. Thus, maybe changing composition.

4) The last batch from July is doing a little bit better but no where like when I 1st started using. Have started to use more squirts the last few days and that does seem to help a little more.

As indicated in orginal post, I have ordered the Pre-Mixed CB-03-01. From I have heard it is mixed with alcohol/PG. Hence, I may be ok if I only have to use 1 or 2 times a week. It was suppose to be shipped the 1st week of August, but as you know it has been delayed. I am ok with that if they are still tweaking it.....which I suspect is the case.

Hope that helps?

2) As indicated in History section of my post...many items have worked and then start to loose their effectiveness due to explanation also in my History section above.

[Stevo1]

I recently ditched proxiphen thinking it was bullshit and lost some ground slightly. Loads people have reported the same but now I'm back on proxiphen I should regaine my hair as people reported regaining it back once they resumed it.

Jazz1,

Like my original post indicated w/long history, I have VERY STRONG DHT genetics. Hence, that is why most products work for ME (some more than others) then they lose their effectivenss over time. This happened with PROXIPHEN after a few years. Most other lose their effectiveness after a few months.

Now I have to alternate months on/off to reduce tolerance with Proxiphen. The only way it worked for so long is because it had so many different ingrediants. Once of the reasons Proctor said his product works better and delays/avods tolerance.

He was even nice enough to give me some other special stuff he holds back for cases just like mine (Being a client for over 22 yrs and flew down to see him). Helped a little for awhile, but then again lost effectiveness.

All in all, it is still my tried & true constant when I go back on it after tolerance has subsided.

You may want to check out MinAgent ADVANCED. Just came out in July and had some good response. No alcohol, uses time-released nano with 200x penetration. Some other good ingredients in there too.

[Stevo1]

How do you plan on activating the "progenitor cells" with the GF's?? Curious to how you plan on achieving this...

Hi staythick,

Let me get back to you on this one after I talk with 3 different inventors of GF's I have befriended.

I need to do a better job of explaining on why current GF's dont work to there full potential.....hence progenitor cells play a key role in giving the right "signal" to the stem cells.

Bottomline I do not want to sound like I am talking out of the side of my arse...let me get the info (I have since forgotten, but printed out an explanation one time) before I re-explain better. This topic has also been brought up before on many forums. Hence, why I do not think we have gotten great long results from GF's upto this point.

[Stevo1]

I got the growth factors, nothing to report atm. Absorbs nicely though, and no side effects here (as suspected)

Imalmostbald,

Thanks for letting us know.

See my long history post above.


I am hoping the nano delivery will make a big difference.

Specifically, I got AWESOME initial results with A&Q hair growth factors but results started fading. It looks like nano will help with penetrationn and I am not positive but it may appear to have more/stronger growth factors than A&Q.

As you can see in my earlier posts I do not mind spending the money experimenting or being the guinna pig...chucke.