Dermarolling Community Trial

[BBay]

I can't comment on derma rolling but micro needling certainly could be worth investigating.
The 8 th World Hair Congress had a few papers on it. One was titled LONG TERM FOLOWUP OF MICRO NEEDLINGPATIENTS TREATED FOR ANDROGENETIC ALOPECIA
Conclusion: Microneedling is indeed proving to be a promising tool in patients distressed with AGA. The effect of microneedling on hair stimulation was maintained post procedure and long term effects were good.This modality of therapy has not shown any long term side effects, therefore can be safely used and implemented in our daily practice in patients with AGA.
There are/is some more papers on this, if any interest I'll check through the papers and post.

[youngin]

Congrats for your success and thanks for the very good pictures!

Could you please describe your regime?
You started with VitC, MSM and Minox? Rolling x mm every y days?

Thanks again!

He has already described this. Find all posts by him and read them.

[hellouser]

Congrats for your success and thanks for the very good pictures!

Could you please describe your regime?
You started with VitC, MSM and Minox? Rolling x mm every y days?

Thanks again!

Who is this directed to?

[PrettyFly83]

Prettyfly's Regime and thoughts

Hey all

Ok so I’ve been asked a number of time to provide my routine so here it is with as much additional info I can think of but first a couple of important points I’d like to share:

1. I don’t know if rolling has been the key for me or if I’m just a good minox responder – there is no way we would ever be able to tell as I am not intending to stop minox.

2. My progress may look good but it has been incredibly slow and I am still very thin on top!

3. I’ve stuck to my regime with some minor changes / laziness along the way but there have been MANY times where I thought it was not working and to pack it in.

4. In my opinion consistency and patience is key.

5. As Fred and many more before have pointed out the study does not seem accurate in their pictures at the assumed 12 week point. I too believe the hair length in the pictures does not represent 12 weeks but more along the lines of 8 months – maybe even 8 months post the 12 week study.

6. Regarding various peoples success / failures of this treatment I think its important to note the study’s results: 50 people were on the rolling protocol, 18 people had “greatly increased” (36%), 22 had “moderately increased” (44%) and 10 had “slightly increased” (20%). 2 in 5 will have good results so it’s not guaranteed this will work for everyone.

7. These statistics were recorded by an independent person through HD photo’s via a stereotactic device at week 1 and week 12– not by looking in the mirror every day.

8. I look in the mirror and can’t see any new hairs to this day! That is just the nature of seeing yourself every day. Only with comparing Hi Res pictures between month 1 /3/6/12 could I tell things were happening very slowly.

Quick story on me age 30, NW6 as best I could tell. Started losing at 21 (9 years ago), NW4 at around 25 (5 years ago) and shaved my hair No.0 since 25. I had never cared to much about my hairloss and just accepted it and played along with the jokes but after reading an article somewhere, it stated its best to start treatments as early as possible so I thought I’d give it one last try before I’d left it too long.

Hair loss stages at age:
19: Started noticing increased hair fall in my study books etc
21: Noticed temples thinning (NW1.5)
23: Increased Temple and top thinning (NW2)
24: Significant thinning on top (NW3)
25-26: Loss of density all over (NW4 but could trace NW6 thinning - started buzzing)
28: Bald top no temples (NW5)
30: (Now) complete loss with some minor stubborn terminal hairs sporadically spaced (NW6)

My Regime as follows:
1. April 2013: I started Generic Minox 1ml twice a day as per instructions. This seemed to be the easiest treatment to start. Heard about Fin but was concerned about the sides.

2. May 2013: Picked up a 0.5mm roller as I wanted to reduce my sunspots and increase topical absorption of minox. When I research dermarollers, 0.5mm was said to be the best for skin pigmentation and hair growth through minox absorption. When I rolled it hurt and I got a quite a few spots of blood. I minox’d immediately after rolling, as this is what the roller was intended for and it burns. Ive always minoxed straight after rolling to this day. I never had heart issues and suggest you stop immediately if you feel strange. I press hard and roll for around 10min in a crisscross pattern over entire scalp.

3. May 2013: Added Vit C 1 gram and MSM 2gram a day after reading the thread. Occasionally made a topical 100% Vit C and distilled water which I rubbed on head for sunspots.

4. July 2013: Found this thread and the study and started posting progress pictures for the benefit of the community.

5. August 2013: Contacted the Authors of the study to try get some clarifications, can find that post here http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthr...398#post139398 . Regrowth seemed to have slowed down.

6. September 2013: Added 1.5mm roller, added Keto Shampoo 2 x week away from rolling, added supplement Zinc 18mg, Vit A 10 000iu, Vit B6 20mg .

7. December 2013: Provided 6 month update picture to forum, post here http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthr...611#post159611

8. Jan 2014 – March 2014: Took a break from rolling, got distracted and bored. Kept up with everything else.

9. March/April 2014: Picked up rolling again, updated other forum with pictures

10. May 2014: Posted 12 month update here

So my daily regime is:
• Minox 2ml
• 1 gram vita C, 1 gram MSM
• Zinc Supplement (supplement Zinc 18mg, Vit A 10 000iu, Vit B6 20mg)

Weekly:
• Roll for 10min with 1.5mm roller in crisscross pattern over entire scalp
• Very painful but don’t use any numbing cream etc. I get spots of blood all over
• I sterilise my roller thoroughly before and after
• Occasionally I rub 100% VitC in distilled water over my head for sunspots

Ive tried to be as open as possible with this community as the wealth of information here has helped me greatly. Therefor I feel responsible that I owe it back and play open book. I’m like you and just want to be able to get on with life and not worry about this crap so please try not be too harsh. I’m still not happy with my hair but it looks alot better – not too say that I wasn’t good looking with my shaved head People just think Ive grown it out but my family sees the difference.

I hope this helps

[PrettyFly83]

I can't comment on derma rolling but micro needling certainly could be worth investigating.
The 8 th World Hair Congress had a few papers on it. One was titled LONG TERM FOLOWUP OF MICRO NEEDLINGPATIENTS TREATED FOR ANDROGENETIC ALOPECIA
Conclusion: Microneedling is indeed proving to be a promising tool in patients distressed with AGA. The effect of microneedling on hair stimulation was maintained post procedure and long term effects were good.This modality of therapy has not shown any long term side effects, therefore can be safely used and implemented in our daily practice in patients with AGA.
There are/is some more papers on this, if any interest I'll check through the papers and post.

Excellent find BBay - this looks like it could be a follow up report on the original study. Please post it or any other information you can find?

[BBay]

OK here is another one on micro needling. I'll give a heavily edited version here.

COMPARISON OF THERAPEUTIC EFFECT OF SYSTEMIC GROWTH FACTOR MICRONEEDLE TREATMENT IN THE PATIENTS WITH MALE PATTERN HAIR LOSS BY VARYING DEPTH OF ABSORPTION:
Objective: The aim of this study was to compare the difference of effects according to the depth of micro needle.
Conclusion: Our results show that 0.5mm depth seems to be more effective than 0.3mm depth of micro needle.

If someone wants full abstract I'll write up if any interest.

[youngin]

OK here is another one on micro needling. I'll give a heavily edited version here.

COMPARISON OF THERAPEUTIC EFFECT OF SYSTEMIC GROWTH FACTOR MICRONEEDLE TREATMENT IN THE PATIENTS WITH MALE PATTERN HAIR LOSS BY VARYING DEPTH OF ABSORPTION:
Objective: The aim of this study was to compare the difference of effects according to the depth of micro needle.
Conclusion: Our results show that 0.5mm depth seems to be more effective than 0.3mm depth of micro needle.

If someone wants full abstract I'll write up if any interest.

Please write it up or link to it.

[fred970]

This was posted by Prettyfly on another forum:

1. I don’t know if rolling has been the key for me or if I’m just a good minox responder – there is no way we would ever be able to tell as I am not intending to stop minox.

Ok folks, show's over, nothing to see here.

[hellouser]

This was posted by Prettyfly on another forum:



Ok folks, show's over, nothing to see here.

That doesnt go against dermarolling or for it though.

[fred970]

I know it may be hard to believe hellhouser, but he's now 1 year into his minoxidil treatment. When I was 1 year into my minoxidil treatment, I went from a diffuse NW5 to a NW2 with slightly less density at the front, and I'm not exagerating, just look at the reactions about my results in the success stories sections of ***.

Like I said many times, he's just a very good responder like I was.

[youngin]

I know it may be hard to believe hellhouser, but he's now 1 year into his minoxidil treatment. When I was 1 year into my minoxidil treatment, I went from a diffuse NW5 to a NW2 with slightly less density at the front, and I'm not exagerating, just look at the reactions about my results in the success stories sections of ***.

Like I said many times, he's just a very good responder like I was.

Your negativity is astounding.

[youngin]

PrettyFly, this might seem completely irrelevant but call it my curiosity... Do you smoke or take any form of nicotine? Thanks

[PrettyFly83]

Fred: I posted the same response to both forums. See post #2239 on previous page. Not hiding anything. What happened with your Minox response after your regrowth? did it just stop working or did you stop for other reasons?

Youngin: Smoked a little in my early 20's but stopped about 5 years ago. What your thoughts on that?

[fred970]

The effects of minoxidil just don't last forever, if they did, it would be a cure.

[youngin]

Youngin: Smoked a little in my early 20's but stopped about 5 years ago. What your thoughts on that?

Well the MPB twin studies correlate smoking to hair loss but I recently read a few studies showing that nicotine promotes angiogensis so it made me curious. I vape nicotine but have never smoked.