Dermarolling Community Trial

[JulioGP]

I started making use of the rink. So far all quiet. Here some four months back to talk about the results.

[fred970]

I guess this scam finally died off completely.

[hellouser]

I guess this scam finally died off completely.

Scam?

[fred970]

Well maybe it's not the appropriate word, mmmh... Joke?

[hellouser]

Well maybe it's not the appropriate word, mmmh... Joke?

Uh... dermarolling still has its purposes as it definitely helps penetration of topical treatments.

You're wrong to dismiss dermarolling completely.

[fred970]

Penetration of topical treatments? We were already talking about that a decade ago.

Has it ever helped any hair loss sufferer? Nope.

[hellouser]

Penetration of topical treatments? We were already talking about that a decade ago.

Has it ever helped any hair loss sufferer? Nope.

Has anything else? All the treatments are crap.

[DesperateOne]

Well one thing derma rolling does do is increase hair shaft big time, but you have to do it so often and it's so painful that I question the trade off. What we need is someone to bite the bullet, derma roll really hard and apply minox with fgf-9.
Who in this forum has nothing to lose but everything to gain.

[fred970]

Minoxidil, finasteride and hair transplants.

[Notcoolanymore]

I am having my doubts about the effectiveness of dermarolling, but I still do it once a week. I don't turn my head into hamburger like many though, so I am probably just wasting my time.

[35YrsAfter]

Improve What Already Works While Waiting For the Cure

Uh... dermarolling still has its purposes as it definitely helps penetration of topical treatments.

You're wrong to dismiss dermarolling completely.

I couldn't agree more. When we step back and look carefully at the treatments that work even minimally like Rogaine, PRP, finasteride, dutasteride, etc., we can get some clues related to the problems causing miniaturized hairs.

I personally think there is something to dermarolling. I haven't read of any deaths caused by micro needling . On the other hand there are dangers of excess absorption of certain topicals.

I personally believe that MPB related hair loss is related to the effects of PGD2 inhibiting platelet aggregation. As mentioned in another thread, miniaturized hair follicles due to MPB have concentrations of prostaglandin D2. On the other hand platelet rich plasma increases the hair shaft diameter of miniaturized hair.

I think what is needed is a study of normal healthy hair cycles. Is there a critical time in normal hair cycles where platelet growth factors play a necessary role in sustaining thick terminal hairs? If so specifically what growth factors are the most important to hair growth or is it a combination? When one looks at nature, there are instances where optimal timing is important. For example, Before entering hibernation, animals need to store enough energy to last the entire winter. Larger species become hyperphagic and eat a large amount of food and store the energy in fat deposits. It's interesting to note that bald scalp has less fat. Testosterone contributes to thinning of the subcutaneous fat. In women, estrogen prevents thinning of these cushioning tissues, at least until menopause.

The aforementioned are just a few examples of what might stimulate ideas and discussion. In other words, if bald scalp has less fat, is there any topical when micro needled that could promote fat production? At this point anyway, before the major breakthrough we all want, I think that a better understanding of what already works even minimally is of value to everyone because the existing treatments can be improved upon.

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[HairBane]

I couldn't agree more. When we step back and look carefully at the treatments that work even minimally like Rogaine, PRP, finasteride, dutasteride, etc., we can get some clues related to the problems causing miniaturized hairs.

I personally think there is something to dermarolling. I haven't read of any deaths caused by micro needling . On the other hand there are dangers of excess absorption of certain topicals.

I personally believe that MPB related hair loss is related to the effects of PGD2 inhibiting platelet aggregation. As mentioned in another thread, miniaturized hair follicles due to MPB have concentrations of prostaglandin D2. On the other hand platelet rich plasma increases the hair shaft diameter of miniaturized hair.

I think what is needed is a study of normal healthy hair cycles. Is there a critical time in normal hair cycles where platelet growth factors play a necessary role in sustaining thick terminal hairs? If so specifically what growth factors are the most important to hair growth or is it a combination? When one looks at nature, there are instances where optimal timing is important. For example, Before entering hibernation, animals need to store enough energy to last the entire winter. Larger species become hyperphagic and eat a large amount of food and store the energy in fat deposits. It's interesting to note that bald scalp has less fat. Testosterone contributes to thinning of the subcutaneous fat. In women, estrogen prevents thinning of these cushioning tissues, at least until menopause.

The aforementioned are just a few examples of what might stimulate ideas and discussion. In other words, if bald scalp has less fat, is there any topical when micro needled that could promote fat production? At this point anyway, before the major breakthrough we all want, I think that a better understanding of what already works even minimally is of value to everyone because the existing treatments can be improved upon.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
forhair.com
Cole Hair Transplant
1070 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
The contents of my posts are my opinions and not medical advice
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

With the fat reduction theory though, what about bodybuilders on massive amounts of steroids with <6&#37; bodyfat, who just happen not to have the gene for hair loss and therefore keep their hair? Could it just be that once all of the hair follicles have miniaturized, the fat reduces as a consequence of the lack of follicles, rather than as a factor which causes it in the first place?

[35YrsAfter]

With the fat reduction theory though, what about bodybuilders on massive amounts of steroids with <6% bodyfat, who just happen not to have the gene for hair loss and therefore keep their hair? Could it just be that once all of the hair follicles have miniaturized, the fat reduces as a consequence of the lack of follicles, rather than as a factor which causes it in the first place?

Good point and it's hard to say. I remember when I was around 14, a noticeable fatty layer preceded beard growth on my chin. Studies indicate, without DHT, you won't grow a beard or body hair. Even if you are genetically predisposed to MPB, without DHT you will maintain a teenage head of hair to old age. It messes with minds.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
forhair.com
Cole Hair Transplant
1070 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
The contents of my posts are my opinions and not medical advice
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

[efedrez]

Is anyone still dermarolling or have we lost completely faith in this method?

I did it for a while with some minimal results and was wondering if it makes sense to go back for a few months

[fred970]

No result everywhere. If it did anything, we would know it by now. Delighted eople would have posted pictures.

It has almost been a year since this method "came out" and there we have nothing.

Even I followed the 12 weeks protocol, and here I am 5 days after my FUE. So yeah, game over for this technique, it sounded promising on paper though.