Dermarolling Community Trial

[doke]

I have seen no proof in any study that you really need to make the scalp bleed and thats true in the case skin use as well it is not the right thing to tell people to do and i will say whats right so some younger or new members here do not get the wrong info.
It is your own scalps to do as you want but we need to say do this at your own risk due as we have no long term data what this damage may do.
I say good luck to you guys doing this but me i will make sure its helping not torture slight redness is ok im not trying to deride anyone as you cannot tell people what to do but as said we need to point out its not in this study.

[Tracy C]

No need to have so many people reproduce the trial results, theres enough that are doing so to validate the study.

You do not understand how research is properly done. The more these results of this pilot study can be reproduced the better. That is called good science.

Don't downplay the efforts of others.

I am not downplaying anyone. But this is important to point out. It is the sensible and responsible thing to do. Many here are certainly not being sensible and certainly not acting responsibly - but some of us are. Don't you downplay those who are exercising good sense and acting responsibly and appropriately.

[hellouser]

You do not understand how research is properly done. The more these results of this pilot study can be reproduced the better. That is called good science.

'Good science' is an extremely vague and primitive way of describing the research.

I am not downplaying anyone. But this is important to point out. It is the sensible and responsible thing to do. Many here are certainly not being sensible and certainly not acting responsibly - but some of us are. Don't you downplay those who are exercising good sense and acting responsibly and appropriately.

That is offensive, you realize that, right? I've gone far beyond most people to bring all the necessary information for everyone to take part in this trial and pointed out many different routes people can take. For you to even suggest I downplay those who are following the study is bogus, especially since you tried to use my words against me. And again, which will be at least the 3rd time me saying this:

THERES NO NEED FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THE STUDY TO THE T WHEN THERES SO MANY ALREADY DOING SO.

Those that are following the study and get results will HOPEFULLY report back with their results (and hopefully with pictures). As for myself and others who are trying wounding, growth factors, etc. you can only be grateful for seeing how you'll then know if compounding other topicals works (or not). I don't see why youre so being so hostile for the fact that some are deviating from the study.

[doke]

As said hell good luck to you and i hope you are successful with this but its not what the trial you brought to thie thread says or i did not see it.
I say again the trial was a good result and says slight redness is whats needed once a week as there was someone said that you may cause damage to the scalp in making the scalp bleed im only saying this to be on the safe side as we are not sure that to use too much force may cause more hair loss but i hope you post pictures at three months to see if you have had any success and before pics as well.

[doke]

Has anyone saw the piliel trials that regrew hair after wounding as fns may help as well.
I do need to say to hellhouse thankyou for bringing this dermaroller trial to bald truth as its very interesting and maybe what we all want to regrow some hair back.

[Tracy C]

'Good science' is an extremely vague and primitive way of describing the research.

Obviously you did not get the point of that at all.

That is offensive, you realize that, right?

It was intended to be because you asked for it and you deserved it. You and only you.

THERES NO NEED FOR ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THE STUDY TO THE T WHEN THERES SO MANY ALREADY DOING SO.

There is absolutely no need for caps lock and bold text. No one is saying that ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE should follow the protocol in the pilot study. More people should however to help verify the proof of concept. What I am reading is telling me that not enough are attempting to reproduce the results of this pilot study by following the protocols of the pilot study. You insist on missing or intentionally ignoring that very important point.

[Tracy C]

I do need to say to hellhouse thankyou for bringing this dermaroller trial to bald truth as its very interesting...

Yes it is very interesting - but it was only a pilot study. A pilot study is a study used to determine if more study is appropriate. The reported results tell me that more study is appropriate - if the results can be reasonably and adequately reproduced in larger numbers. That's a very important thing right there.

[gainspotter]

I don't see why some people have to be so hostile on these threads.
Who cares if someone is trying it a different way, you don't have to. Even I am sticking with the study for time being, doesn't mean I'll criticise everyone elses methods. Hellhouser could have better success drawing blood and then we will all be jumping on that bandwagon. No one knows what's gonna happen, all I can say is thanks hell for all your work and research in tackling this sh1t.

[greatjob!]

As said hell good luck to you and i hope you are successful with this but its not what the trial you brought to thie thread says or i did not see it.
I say again the trial was a good result and says slight redness is whats needed once a week as there was someone said that you may cause damage to the scalp in making the scalp bleed im only saying this to be on the safe side as we are not sure that to use too much force may cause more hair loss but i hope you post pictures at three months to see if you have had any success and before pics as well.

I initially said you don't want to draw blood as well because the study said to roll until you see mild erythema. This was however before I ever rolled with the 1.5 mm derma roller, because after I used it the first time I realized it is not possible to roll with a 1.5 mm roller and not draw blood.

[greatjob!]

It was intended to be because you asked for it and you deserved it. You and only you.

Damn that's pretty harsh

[sosa56]

I initially said you don't want to draw blood as well because the study said to roll until you see mild erythema. This was however before I ever rolled with the 1.5 mm derma roller, because after I used it the first time I realized it is not possible to roll with a 1.5 mm roller and not draw blood.

This. As long as youre not going crazy, I think we've all seen, those of us who have been following the thread form its humble beginnings, that a little bit of blood with 1.5 mm dermarolling is par for the course

[Tracy C]

Damn that's pretty harsh

Are you serious? I don't get even close to being as harsh with you guys as you guys are with me. You guys have been jumping all over my case and giving me massive amounts of unreasonable crap from the very beginning - and all I ever wanted to do was help... I have every right to get even more harsh with you guys than I currently do and I have the green light to go ahead and do so. Whether you like it or not I have a right to defend myself - and I am going to do that.

[greatjob!]

Are you serious? I don't get even close to being as harsh with you guys as you guys are with me. You guys have been jumping all over my case and giving me massive amounts of unreasonable crap from the very beginning - and all I ever wanted to do was help... I have every right to get even more harsh with you guys than I currently do and I have the green light to go ahead and do so. Whether you like it or not I have a right to defend myself - and I am going to do that.

I have never been harsh towards you. I agree with you on most things. The only thing I have disagreed with you on in the past in laser therapy, and it looks like your opinion has evolved in regards to men using laser therapy, so we now probably agree on almost everything. I know people have been assholes to you in the past, I was just reacting to this particular conversation.

[Pentarou]

I definitely agree with Tracy that we need to stick to trying to replicate the pilot study's treatment protocol to test the generalisability *before* we collectively attempt anything further. We have to learn to walk before we can run.

[Kiwi]

Are you serious? I don't get even close to being as harsh with you guys as you guys are with me. You guys have been jumping all over my case and giving me massive amounts of unreasonable crap from the very beginning - and all I ever wanted to do was help... I have every right to get even more harsh with you guys than I currently do and I have the green light to go ahead and do so. Whether you like it or not I have a right to defend myself - and I am going to do that.

I value your input too Tracy!!!!

.... just not when it comes to do with topics such as erect penis failure due to finasteride. So long as you don't talk about the benefits of fin in the "Cutting Edge" forums I'm a happy chappy