Dermarolling Community Trial

[GreyGhost1864]

We need to increase Pgf2a guys. Inflammation is good it just needs to cycle in Mpb it stays inflammation mode. You youngsters! So you guys block inflammation the key to healing. I will welcome it every time I pluck my head. The only difference is I am adding a Pgf2 agonist D-cloprostenol. You can block pdg2 but I am telling you....we need to focus on growth agents not inflammation agents when wounding. Cheers
Ghost

[GreyGhost1864]

Just looking in 10x mirror my peach fuzz is growing like wild fire! Got 8 new darkies in my widows peak. They are only 3 or 4mm but are dark in color. A year from now.....keep the hope!
Ghost

[Conpecia]

Pics Ghost! Make sure all of us take before and after shots.

[DesperateOne]

Pgf2a

We need to increase Pgf2a guys. Inflammation is good it just needs to cycle in Mpb it stays inflammation mode. You youngsters! So you guys block inflammation the key to healing. I will welcome it every time I pluck my head. The only difference is I am adding a Pgf2 agonist D-cloprostenol. You can block pdg2 but I am telling you....we need to focus on growth agents not inflammation agents when wounding. Cheers
Ghost

Ghost I do find your ideas very interesting but very very incoherent. I can not make much sense to what you're saying. I did research Pgf2a and it seems that people are using it mostly in bodybuilding, however I don't see why it can't be used in the scalp. They also mentioned that it's very dangerous, so I guess that's something to consider.

A couple of things I want cleared out from you:

1. You're saying that when we are in the healing process, that is to say, after we use the derma roller, we should be also using Pgf2a?

2. Are you saying that we should not be using any PGD2 inhibitor? Or do you think that should also be added somewhere during the week.

3. How many times a week are you using Pgf2a, also how and where did you buy it? Do you have a link to amazon or do you need to have it prescribed?

4. How do you apply this Pgf2a, are you grinding it up and diluting it in water?

Hope you respond because I just got my pills today that I wanted to experiment but I want to know if I should be adding Pgf2a as well.
Cheers

[Bocaj]

^I've got a sneaking suspicion that the skin at the thinning areas has SOMETHING to do with hair loss. Everywhere that I've got thick skin, theres a LOT more hair, but in areas where my skin is thin, I've either lost my hair (temples) or am thinning (very top plus area around temples). I'm going to see if EMU oil and scalp massage can increase skin thickness and bloodflow.

A couple of things came to mind when I read that. Vit C: http://elsomresearch.com/shopping/pr...in-renewal.htm

Vitamin C is known as a most potent collagen builder and skin elasticizer, if it can penetrate the skin layers where it can do the most good.

and Dermatopoietin: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...9O5hvjBg&pli=1

[Californication]

Is PrettyFly still looking to contact the authors?

If we could get in contact with them, I'd think they'd appreciate the interest the article has garnered and give us some more specific tips if possible on the exact protocol: method to dermaroll, did they use a new dermaroller each week, if not, washed it in in alcohol I'm guessing, duration of dermaroll, how exactly should the skin look.

Most of this should be common sense stuff and we should probably see results if it works without getting in touch, but still getting the exact protocol and methods could only help.

[DesperateOne]

Is PrettyFly still looking to contact the authors?

If we could get in contact with them, I'd think they'd appreciate the interest the article has garnered and give us some more specific tips if possible on the exact protocol: method to dermaroll, did they use a new dermaroller each week, if not, washed it in in alcohol I'm guessing, duration of dermaroll, how exactly should the skin look.

Most of this should be common sense stuff and we should probably see results if it works without getting in touch, but still getting the exact protocol and methods could only help.

They don't want to talk to pawns like you. We need a medical doctor to talk on our behalf.

[Californication]

They don't want to talk to pawns like you. We need a medical doctor to talk on our behalf.

Is that what they said? I bet they would be willing to talk to a medical student doing research (aka me or I'm sure some others around here). The fact that we have the same background may also help. I'm not going to innundate them with emails though if someone else is already on this.

[PrettyFly83]

Hey All

Pleased to say I finally heard back from one of the authors, unfortunately the responses were not as detailed as we'd like but any anyway, here are the questions and responses. Remember I tried to be as nonthreatening as possible as they are using this as a treatment and hence giving away their secrets:

Good Day

Your name was cited in a recent Journal about a pilot study on Microneedling and the positive effects on Androgenic Alopecia.

Are you the correct person to contact regarding this study?

The study was located at this domain:

http://www.ijtrichology.com/article.asp?issn=0974-7753;year=2013;volume=5;issue=1;spage=6;epage=11;aulast=Dhurat

Please could you kindly contact me and comment whether you'd be willing to assist with some queries I have?

Many thanks for your assistance in this regard

02 August 2013
Dear Mr. XXXXXXX
I am the right person, who is responsible for the study.
We routinely perform microneedling for patients with androgenetic alopecia including women, getting good results.

Dear Dr YYYYYY

Thank you very much for getting back to me and confirming you are indeed the correct person.

I have a few queries on the treatment which maybe you can shed some light on:

1. Do the results continue improving under the microneedling / Minoxidle regime or is there a limit to the regrowth patients can expect?

2. Have you treated any patients with this regime whilst they were on Finasteride? How do their results compare?

3. What level of pain and bleeding should patients expect and could there be potential damage to the hair follicles if the treatment is too vigorous?

4. Do you treat with Minoxidle immediately after the treatment or follow the studies method of rest for 24 hours? If so, why?

5 Do you use different length needles for different patients or is there a standard length?

Thank you very much for your time clarifying these queries. I look forward to hearing back from you.

Kind Regards
XXXXXXXXXX

07 August 2013
Dear XXXXXX
Ans
1. There was further mild improvement after completion of treatment
2. Now I treat all my patients with finasteride + minoxidil+microneedling + platelet rich plasma. Results are v.good.
3. very mild pain, one or 2 bleeding spots occasionally.
4. We ask our patients not to apply minoxidil on the day of procedure
5. Standard length is 1.5mm for all patients.

That is it for now unfortunately.

I'll try pose some more queries if people would like? Might be good to pose the queries as a "potential patient" to try get more information...

[Jens1986]

What more do you need to know? The study + the answers you got should be more than enough..

[PrettyFly83]

What more do you need to know? The study + the answers you got should be more than enough..

Hey Jens, I was hoping for a bit more detail:
1. I was more looking for whether the results continue to improve with continuous treatment not whether the condition improves after treatment.
2. Queried for Hellouser not fully answered but close enough
3. Answered
4. First part answered but no response as to why they do not minox after
5. Answered

[Pentarou]

Thanks for contacting them for the community, PrettyFly. The information is definitely still useful even if unfortunately brief.

[walrus]

1. There was further mild improvement after completion of treatment

This didn't really answer the question, which was if the results continue to improve if the treatment is continued.

Edit: PrettyFly83, you already pointed this out.

[chimera]

So, the guys who made this study own a clinic where they offer this treatment.......?

Right........

**** this shit

[hellouser]

So, the guys who made this study own a clinic where they offer this treatment.......?

Right........

**** this shit

Whats wrong with them owning a clinic?