Dermarolling Community Trial

[bigentries]

According to the study, regrowth was noticeable around 6 weeks so if there is no change at the end of the 12 weeks, it probably will not work

I'm starting to worry about the claim that hair started to grow faster in just one week. Has anyone been able to verify the reputation of the researchers?

[walrus]

I'm starting to worry about the claim that hair started to grow faster in just one week. Has anyone been able to verify the reputation of the researchers?

I had a few alarm bells about this after I was unable to find 2 of their main references in the paper:

5. Jeong K, Lee YJ, Kim JE, Park YM, Kim BJ, Kang H. Repeated microneedle stimulation induce the enhanced expression of hair-growth-related genes. Int J Trichology 2012;4:117.

6. Kim BJ, Lim YY, Kim HM, Lee YW, Won CH, Huh CH, et al. Hair follicle regeneration in mice after wounding by microneedle roller. Int J Trichology 2012;4:117.

I was able to find these as oral presentation abstracts but not as full, proper, publications. Can anyone else? If not, it is a bit suspect to pretend and reference a paper that does not exist...because what else could they have made up.

[Arashi]

I had a few alarm bells about this after I was unable to find 2 of their main references in the paper:



I was able to find these as oral presentation abstracts but not as full, proper, publications. Can anyone else? If not, it is a bit suspect to pretend and reference a paper that does not exist...because what else could they have made up.

Nah. They seem to be legit: "This study was supported by a National Research Foundation of Korea grant funded by the Korean government (2011-0008687).", according to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...MC3500071/#top

[Arashi]

And don't forget on page 5 of this thread we have a forum user who's been doing this for 2 months with great success !

[walrus]

Can you find them in full in the International Journal of Trichology as they referenced? They would at least be an interesting read.

And don't forget on page 5 of this thread we have a forum user who's been doing this for 2 months with great success !

True, a promising sign.

[chimera]

And don't forget on page 5 of this thread we have a forum user who's been doing this for 2 months with great success !

Sadly, prettyfly (the user you're talking about) is still no proof that this treatment works, as he started the dermaroller more than a month before, but he has been on minox for more than 3 months. So, there is still no way to know if his results are due to the dermaroller or the minoxidil.

I still feel very uneasy about the fact that there has been a lot of people using dermaroller in the past without this kind of results. Yeah, I know most of them did not follow the exact same treatment exposed in the study, some used shorter neddles, some used the dermaroller more often, which could be a bad idea, but still.

Now, if the study is true then fine, awesome. But if in the end none of us get any kind of results. What would that mean?, would that mean that the study is lying about it's results, or could it be that the whole study is a lie?. But if that were to be the case?, then why?.

[Arashi]

Sadly, prettyfly (the user you're talking about) is still no proof that this treatment works, as he started the dermaroller more than a month before, but he has been on minox for more than 3 months. So, there is still no way to know if his results are due to the dermaroller or the minoxidil.

I still feel very uneasy about the fact that there has been a lot of people using dermaroller in the past without this kind of results. Yeah, I know most of them did not follow the exact same treatment exposed in the study, some used shorter neddles, some used the dermaroller more often, which could be a bad idea, but still.

Now, if the study is true then fine, awesome. But if in the end none of us get any kind of results. What would that mean?, would that mean that the study is lying about it's results, or could it be that the whole study is a lie?. But if that were to be the case?, then why?.

So, we can basically do 2 things:

1) Assume the study is false and was done by a Chinese Dermaroller selling company In this case we just can sit back and continue balding.
2) Try it and see if it works !

[bigentries]

So, we can basically do 2 things:

1) Assume the study is false and was done by a Chinese Dermaroller selling company In this case we just can sit back and continue balding.
2) Try it and see if it works !

My main worry is not a monetary interest, but just plain incompetence. Studies are not exempt of errors just because they are published in a scientific paper

[Arashi]

My main worry is not a monetary interest, but just plain incompetence. Studies are not exempt of errors just because they are published in a scientific paper

Sure. It all might not work. Just saying that if we don't try it, we'll never know. I ordered my dermaroller a few days ago. Cant wait to try it out !

[walrus]

What would that mean?, would that mean that the study is lying about it's results, or could it be that the whole study is a lie?. But if that were to be the case?, then why?.

There are motives other than pushing a product. They could be publishing a 'miraculous' result to gain citations of their study, attempt to boost their careers, and seek further funding etc.

The reputation of the journal and not just that of the authors is also a factor, ie. how rigorously was it peer reviewed?

Anyway, time will tell.

[hellouser]

There are motives other than pushing a product. They could be publishing a 'miraculous' result to gain citations of their study, attempt to boost their careers, and seek further funding etc.

The reputation of the journal and not just that of the authors is also a factor, ie. how rigorously was it peer reviewed?

Anyway, time will tell.

Probably an Aderans funded project to sell more dermarollers instead of a cell based therapy.

God I hate this fvcking disease.

[bigentries]

Sure. It all might not work. Just saying that if we don't try it, we'll never know. I ordered my dermaroller a few days ago. Cant wait to try it out !

I don't like that way of thinking "If we don't try it, we'll never know" is the kind of mentality that makes bald people an easy target for quacks

People need to take a more skeptic approach to these kind of news.

That doesn't mean I'm against experimenting with this, I'm going to try it in a few weeks. But we should never stop the critical thinking.
I'm just wondering the reputation of the researchers, if there's is something fishy then we need to uncover it

See the tocotrienols fiasco, they also had a published study, but people acted way too gullible when there were obvious shills pushing the products

[Arashi]

I don't like that way of thinking "If we don't try it, we'll never know" is the kind of mentality that makes bald people an easy target for quacks

People need to take a more skeptic approach to these kind of news

Nothing wrong with being skeptic. But fact remains, if we don't try it, we won't know. Yeah we can wait for others to scientifically repeat the experiment. But what's wrong with purchasing a cheap roller and try it 2 months ourselves ? It's a lot better than just to sit back and wait.

[hellouser]

Nothing wrong with being skeptic. But fact remains, if we don't try it, we won't know. Yeah we can wait for others to scientifically repeat the experiment. But what's wrong with purchasing a cheap roller and try it 2 months ourselves ? It's a lot better than just to sit back and wait.

Even if the study doesn't work out in our favor, better absorption of Minox, RU, CB and other topicals will be a nice benefit.

[bigentries]

Even if the study doesn't work out in our favor, better absorption of Minox, RU, CB and other topicals will be a nice benefit.

Wouldn't more absorption be a bad thing? We want it to work on the follicles, not potentially going into the bloodstream