Dermarolling Community Trial

[Hicks]

Do you have any studies to support your thoughts? Look, I don't want to be a jerk here but people are offering wild speculation based on zero science. There are well documented studies on the wounding response and the specific growth factors released at certain times during the inflammatory process.

Every body does NOT react differently. There is variance, sure. But a normal functioning inflammatory response looks relatively similar between individuals. Further, It's entirely unclear that we want to promote faster healing; that might even be counterproductive.

I think there is good reason to think that putting minoxidil on immediately after wounding may be beneficial, in part because of the time frame it takes for minox to upregulate PGE2 and in turn for the PGE2 to induce FGF9. Still, this is all guesswork. But personally I think if that's what Cots is doing, we also should be doing it.

People don't seem to realize that wounding is a well controlled response. You are free to do whatever you want, of course. Just please take the time to read the studies and research and you'll have a better idea of what you should be doing to see results.

Rather specifically, I would not put ANY anti-inflammatory on directly after wounding... particularly nothing like emu oil or coconut oil. You are driving full speed and then placing a speed block in the way.

Your right, I'm wrong.... Sorry "HUGS"

[greatjob!]

Here's an interesting question:

If the objective of the dermarolling community trial is to create a 'cheap mans version of Follica' why, unlike Follica, are we waiting 24 hours before applying topicals?

In the recent patent made public with Follica's method, they apply their topical treatments soon after the scalp is wounded with a laser. In their other published articles, they stated 'amonixidil' was applied after wounding. I've mentioned it before but my body heals FAST, I had 4 wisdom teeth pulled recently and gum grafting, both times my surgeon (performing both procedures) says my anatomy is crazy and hasn't seen anyone heal that quickly in a long time. The same happens to my scalp when I dermaroll, the itchiness/soreness from the dermarolling is gone after a few hours which leads me to believe that those open wounds created by the dermaroller have closed up quickly, which from what I gather, is going against Follica's method as they try to SLOW DOWN the healing process and apply their topicals.

Thoughts??

I also heal extremely fast, a few hours after I roll it looks like nothing happened.

The last time I rolled I applied minox right after. I know the risks of it going systemic, but I have an in-human tolerance to every drug I've ever taken so I wasn't too worried about it. I didn't have any issues so I'm going to continue to use it right after I roll unless I experience any issues. I figure if I don't have any sides it can only help with regrowth whether it be from up-regulation of growth factors or just due to minox absorption.

[Knockin on NW4]

ive been applying rogaine foam directly after rolling, it burns so good! and it cleans the blood specs off. my scalp is sensitive to touch for at least 24h post wounding.

[LongWayHome]

ive been applying rogaine foam directly after rolling, it burns so good! and it cleans the blood specs off. my scalp is sensitive to touch for at least 24h post wounding.

Same here.
Actually I did wait 24 hours, but my scalp is still "warm" and the foam absorbed immediately, and it definitely never felt like it.

It was weird, but good weird.

[baldee]

I honestly cannot understand how you can go out the next day with all that wounding and nobody notices anything.

[thinningTooSoon]

I did my third roll last night, and rinsed the dried blood off this morning before going to work.

[hellouser]

I honestly cannot understand how you can go out the next day with all that wounding and nobody notices anything.

I've got enough density to hide it... somewhat.

[Chromeo]

I honestly cannot understand how you can go out the next day with all that wounding and nobody notices anything.

It's pretty much unnoticeable the next day.

[Conpecia]

i for one am going to follow the study. if after 12 weeks i see absolutely nothing, i'll start tweaking things, wounding more, applying minox quicker, applying growth factors, etc. but since i'm on dutasteride i'm no longer worried about losing the rest of my hair, so i can wait things out and make adjustments.

the key to controlling mpb is finding a well-proven and scientifically backed regimen and then sticking with it religiously for a long time. hopping from treatment to treatment won't help at this stage.

[Dan26]

i for one am going to follow the study. if after 12 weeks i see absolutely nothing, i'll start tweaking things, wounding more, applying minox quicker, applying growth factors, etc. but since i'm on dutasteride i'm no longer worried about losing the rest of my hair, so i can wait things out and make adjustments.

the key to controlling mpb is finding a well-proven and scientifically backed regimen and then sticking with it religiously for a long time. hopping from treatment to treatment won't help at this stage.

ya bro u are set as far as density and crown/anterior region with dut rolling and minox etc...if hairline slowly gets worse though thats when IMO it is a good idea to throw new treatments at it

[Tracy C]

I finally received my dermaroller and started my effort to reproduce the pilot study. Dang this hurts!!! I am not applying any pressure at all. Just the weight of the roller, which can't be very much.

I did find that using plastic wrap to keep long hair from getting tangled in the roller does in fact work - and it works really well.

[DesperateOne]

I finally received my dermaroller and started my effort to reproduce the pilot study. Dang this hurts!!! I am not applying any pressure at all. Just the weight of the roller, which can't be very much.

I did find that using plastic wrap to keep long hair from getting tangled in the roller does in fact work - and it works really well.

Yes, it hurts like hell, even though women have higher pain thresholds. Some on the other forum suggested using Japanese mint oil, they say it works wonders. I might have to order it if the 2.5mm is nothing but blinding pain.

[MackJames]

After rolling I go over my scalp with a alcohol wipe. Cleans the blood off and evaporates quickly. I'm going to start taking pics. I'm on my fifth week today and my hair is very short. I'm not sure whether I've been rolling hard enough so I'm basically starting from scratch.

[Stocione]

I finally received my dermaroller and started my effort to reproduce the pilot study. Dang this hurts!!! I am not applying any pressure at all. Just the weight of the roller, which can't be very much.

I did find that using plastic wrap to keep long hair from getting tangled in the roller does in fact work - and it works really well.

It's definitely not comfortable but the harder and more vigorously you roll the more adrenaline you get pumping. It hurts significantly less after a few good hard rolls.

On a side note, I missed the explanation for why you are using plastic wrap. But if you are rolling with as much vigor as those reporting results (and what the study researcher I spoke to suggested) then I would expect you to tear through the plastic wrap. I would also be concerned about how sanitary the plastic wrap is (as pieces could be deposited into your scalp), unless you are soaking it in alcohol before or something.

Anyway, just a thought.

[brunobald]

I was thinking these dermapens may be a way of reducing pain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WczUjxn6x4