Dermarolling Community Trial

[brunobald]

That's a bit of a leap DesperateOne. The study showing only peach fuzz growth is from 1956 not Dr. Cotsarelis, and they were using dermabrasion not needling. Both Follica and the Indian study suggested dermarolling alone may be beneficial to alopecia.

That being said, I'm sure results will be much better with minoxidil thrown in.

As far as needle length everything beyond sticking with the 1.5 in the study is speculation. Yes, squeege says he's seeing great results with a 2.5. prettyfly saw great results with a .5. So who knows? Most people aren't even halfway through the study. Best of luck, keep us updated.

The most recent follica patents do not suggest dermabrasion alone will give best results. In fact they suggest a combo of dermabrasion + plus deep cuts into the scalp both are made using a laser. Follica also apply lithium gluconate to supply lithium ions to the regenerating tissue this helps push the cells towards becoming hair follicules rather than plain skin.

[hellouser]

The most recent follica patents do not suggest dermabrasion alone will give best results. In fact they suggest a combo of dermabrasion + plus deep cuts into the scalp both are made using a laser. Follica also apply lithium gluconate to supply lithium ions to the regenerating tissue this helps push the cells towards becoming hair follicules rather than plain skin.

How sure are we that that is all their procedure would use? What about FGF-9 and PGD2 inhibitors?

[brunobald]

Not sure at all, but I would like to put together a mindmap in photoshop to combine all the ideas we have. Try and work out the best routine possible with lots of variations. There are lots of great ideas and info spread across multiple forums and bringing all this together and holding it in one updated .pdf that everyone can acess, I think might be useful?

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

thanks bro

No, 192 gives better penetration and deeper wounding for sure. Think of the person sleeping on a bed of needles.

[LevonHelms]

The most recent follica patents do not suggest dermabrasion alone will give best results. In fact they suggest a combo of dermabrasion + plus deep cuts into the scalp both are made using a laser. Follica also apply lithium gluconate to supply lithium ions to the regenerating tissue this helps push the cells towards becoming hair follicules rather than plain skin.

Right, I know. Guess I worded that badly. I only meant that dermarolling all by itself has been shown to be beneficial. Adding growth factors and stimulants would of course compound the effect.

[brunobald]

Right, I know. Guess I worded that badly. I only meant that dermarolling all by itself has been shown to be beneficial. Adding growth factors and stimulants would of course compound the effect.

What are you planning on trying out first? Lithium gluconate? I also think a wider self supporting wound might work better too. The patent talks of a column of flesh being removed.

[DesperateOne]

What are you planning on trying out first? Lithium gluconate? I also think a wider self supporting wound might work better too. The patent talks of a column of flesh being removed.

Yes, people have contacted the authors and they said that there was blood throughout the sessions. The only thing is that they didn't put it on the paper as they should have. Anyways, if you want results, I still think that you should do a super aggressive session and maybe wait more than a week before you do the next one, IMO. I also heard that lithium is dangerous, would have to research it though.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-Microneedle-Roller-Stretchmarks-Regeneration/dp/B0088I3ROW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1379094676&sr=8-12&keywords=dermaroller

guys i order this then?

its 1.5mm 192 needles it doesnt say anything about needls diameter . the material is ok ?

thanks

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

guys an info i read from a guys post on ***..
when skin gets pinkish is when stem cells are released...

do we know that?

[clandestine]

So enough guys talking over at *** about applying semen to their scalps; apparently the science is sound.

Whose game

[gladiator]

After reading this forum I have some input .
I think that wounding once per week as the study states is sufficient . apply tea tree cream directly after which is an amazing anti inflamm . Apply PSI ; post wounding (1.5 mm) then minox 2 times per day every other day .
Sounds like it would give an incredible stimulation and the tea tree cream is brilliant on its own as I use on skin wounds as an antibacterial and anti inflammatory and I'd dissipates the red ness over night . Psi is sold on the net and is a very potent stimulator . Also a tea tree shampoo would keep the scalp clean avoid germ .
Thoughts ?

[brunobald]

Lol, this thread has the makings of a good southpark episode.

[DesperateOne]

After reading this forum I have some input .
I think that wounding once per week as the study states is sufficient . apply tea tree cream directly after which is an amazing anti inflamm . Apply PSI ; post wounding (1.5 mm) then minox 2 times per day every other day .
Sounds like it would give an incredible stimulation and the tea tree cream is brilliant on its own as I use on skin wounds as an antibacterial and anti inflammatory and I'd dissipates the red ness over night . Psi is sold on the net and is a very potent stimulator . Also a tea tree shampoo would keep the scalp clean avoid germ .
Thoughts ?

Listen tea tree SALESMAN, we want inflammation to occur in order for the magic to happen, applying antiflamatory substances would be counter productive.

[DesperateOne]

So enough guys talking over at *** about applying semen to their scalps; apparently the science is sound.

Whose game

I have been doing it for the past five days, the problem seems to be that it does t absorb as well as I would like it to. I will be getting my 2.5mm derma in about a week or two, they got delayed a bit. Will see if that's deep enough to reach the follicle. Also we need to apply when we see the skin turning pink, that is the magic signal that shows the skin is ready for minox or other topicals.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional...ds=dermaroller

guys i order this then?

its 1.5mm 192 needles it doesnt say anything about needls diameter . the material is ok ?

thanks