Dermarolling Community Trial

[Stocione]

Multiple people have reported results, but they are all deep wounding - meaning drawing significant amounts of blood. Also note, that folks with a recalcitrant minoxidil treatment past won't likely see mind blowing results, just improved results. Of the 12 individual who used fin/minox in the past WITHOUT success, there was a split between those that had a +1 or +2 response.

************ is a bit better for following users with success, as the folks there are a bit more aggressive in their wounding.

[Stocione]

I also had a brief exchange with one of the researchers on the study. He indicated that they were drawing blood when rolling. Mild erythmia apparently meant that they stopped once they started noting blood throughout the scalp. So if you aren't bleeding, I recommend pressing harder and faster. It really doesn't hurt that much as you will have adrenaline pumping from the vigor of the motion. I actually hurts more to go slow and shallow.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

nice post so i am jumbing on for sure i guess,i also noticed the good results of ***.

thanks

hope it works . for now on i am testing minox foam for allercic reactions then i buzz or shave and do the study HARD

Multiple people have reported results, but they are all deep wounding - meaning drawing significant amounts of blood. Also note, that folks with a recalcitrant minoxidil treatment past won't likely see mind blowing results, just improved results. Of the 12 individual who used fin/minox in the past WITHOUT success, there was a split between those that had a +1 or +2 response.

************ is a bit better for following users with success, as the folks there are a bit more aggressive in their wounding.

[clandestine]

you roll deep enough? i think after 6 sessions the results appear.....

Study was undergone for 12 weeks.

Our members should hope to do the same.

[clandestine]

I've been on minoxidil for 4 days now, will start my derma rolling session tonight with a 1.0mm roller. Will in time move up to 1.5mm.

[bigentries]

Are there any pics?

The only pics I've seen here are not that impressive and difficult to compare. Just keep your emotions in check, people were also claiming that voltaren was the cure a few months ago because a guy was getting some results with it and minox but it lead nowhere in the end

[PatientlyWaiting]

What do you guys use to clean your dermaroller? I know it's somewhere in this thread but can't find it. Some alcohol.

^ Some one, please.

[Buster]

^ Some one, please.

From what I've read people are using Isopropyl or betadine.

[Stocione]

Not that impressive? It's been like five or six weeks since people started... And yes, there are photos over there. This also has an actual double blind study plus numerous cotz studies supporting its theory. I sincerely doubt it won't do something... although most people on these boards are likely recalcitrant to minoxidil (or they wouldn't be messing around with experimental treatments) so the results won't be quite as good as some experienced in the study.

[bigentries]

Not that impressive? It's been like five or six weeks since people started... And yes, there are photos over there. This also has an actual double blind study plus numerous cotz studies supporting its theory. I sincerely doubt it won't do something... although most people on these boards are likely recalcitrant to minoxidil (or they wouldn't be messing around with experimental treatments) so the results won't be quite as good as some experienced in the study.

Double blind? How was the study double blind?

The thing is that, the results were impressive, and claimed to be significant at 6 weeks, you would expect people to be reporting something by now, as far as I know, only one guy in the thread has shown something

And the question of the length of the hair in the study hasn't been clarified, there is no way their hair grew that fast in just 3 months

Edit: My bad, the evaluator is claimed to be blind in the study

[Stocione]

Just saw your edit, but in any case we know there is no placebo effect associated with hair growth - look at pretty much any control side study and they lose hair.

Anyway, they claimed new follicles at six weeks although the degree of significance and cosmetic appearance is not made clear. What's more, that's the earliest they noted growth - meaning that some responders may not have seen anything in that time frame. Given how few people are doing 1.5mm deep wounding with bleeding AND a shaved head, it's not surprising we have so few positive reports and photos so far. But we DO have some positive reports and WE do have two or three people with photos floating around. I'm somewhat surprised that you would think we have more. I'd wager there are only twenty or thirty people doing this with the correct length and intensity and most of them probably don't have shaved heads. Give it time and stay optimistic. Not every microneedler saw a +3 response but every single one saw some positive response.

The length of the hair is actually explained in one of the figures where they note that the rate of regrowth is increased significantly in the microneedilng group. I asked the researcher about this and he confirmed that many individuals in the microneedling group had accelerated hair growth rates.

[chimera]

And the question of the length of the hair in the study hasn't been clarified, there is no way their hair grew that fast in just 3 months

This bothers me a lot too...

The length of the hair is actually explained in one of the figures where they note that the rate of regrowth is increased significantly in the microneedilng group. I asked the researcher about this and he confirmed that many individuals in the microneedling group had accelerated hair growth rates.

Yeah, but if not some kind of regrowth, then I think that we should be able to see at least this effect by now... and we're not

[bigentries]

Just saw your edit, but in any case we know there is no placebo effect associated with hair growth - look at pretty much any control side study and they lose hair.

Anyway, they claimed new follicles at six weeks although the degree of significance and cosmetic appearance is not made clear. What's more, that's the earliest they noted growth - meaning that some responders may not have seen anything in that time frame. Given how few people are doing 1.5mm deep wounding with bleeding AND a shaved head, it's not surprising we have so few positive reports and photos so far. But we DO have some positive reports and WE do have two or three people with photos floating around. I'm somewhat surprised that you would think we have more. I'd wager there are only twenty or thirty people doing this with the correct length and intensity and most of them probably don't have shaved heads. Give it time and stay optimistic. Not every microneedler saw a +3 response but every single one saw some positive response.

The length of the hair is actually explained in one of the figures where they note that the rate of regrowth is increased significantly in the microneedilng group. I asked the researcher about this and he confirmed that many individuals in the microneedling group had accelerated hair growth rates.

Again, as far as I know, only one guy has shown pics, and while at least he is getting something, it's not the amount of growth reported and easily explained with just minox use. And it wasn't just the dermarolling group, one pic in the minox group also shows an extreme grow for just 3 months

I'm sorry but "remaining optimistic" usually means to avoid any critical thinking in hair loss forums, I choose to remain skeptic, not "negative", I'm still on the trial, but I refuse to fool myself into not seeing that some things just don't add up

[greatjob!]

You guys are just repeating every mistake everyone has ever made on this and other forums. People on here jump on and off treatments because they didn't see results within a month or two, and they never know if it would have worked because they didn't wait long enough. I know what the study said, but you can't realistically expect any treatment for hairloss to show cosmetic results before 6 months or longer. There is a reason why fin and minox take time to work, and it's not because they are shit treatments, it's because it takes time to reverse miniaturization and hair grows at a snails pace. Everyone needs to relax. Just roll every week and try not to think about it. I'm planning on doing this for a year before I decide if I will quit or not.

[Thinning87]

Well said