Dermarolling Community Trial

[bigentries]

the info comes from reputable member that contacted the guys that performed the study read the hole thread and also the twin thread on ***

But again, who are the best responders? Because 80% of the group can be classified as very good responders

Who is the reputable member? The only guy here that claimed to contact the researchers joined the forum like 3 months ago, does he has any other posting history in other forums?

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

chill just believe what i say i dont have a reason to f around i suffer too...

cheers

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

for everyone here to take a note

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing

[bigentries]

chill just believe what i say i dont have a reason to f around i suffer too...

cheers

I'm just making some questions, I know people tend to not like skepticism, but I never understand why every cure of the month is considered "the one" that should not be questioned and you should just hope it works.

I just can't "believe what you say", sorry dude, but hairloss forums have over a decade of people using these sort of tactics without any new treatment resulting from them

I just don't like the lack of results so far, the study was too good, we should already have tons of pics showing clear regrowth

[Pentarou]

I just can't "believe what you say", sorry dude, but hairloss forums have over a decade of people using these sort of tactics without any new treatment resulting from them

A study from a peer-reviewed journal that we can reproduce cheaply at home is something quite different to the usual 'black market substance of the week' crazes.

[bigentries]

A study from a peer-reviewed journal that we can reproduce cheaply at home is something quite different to the usual 'black market substance of the week' crazes.

More reason to not use the same logic used with all other snake oils

If a study says amazing growth has to happen in 80% of people using it in 12 weeks (with 6 weeks being enough to see some results) but people don't report anything in 12 weeks then:
- The study was flawed
- People didn't performed it as it should, and changing variables, like needle length (or using semen!) is just speculation and has turned experimentation based in a legit study into another weird thing baldies do on hair loss forums with no real reasoning behind

[DesperateOne]

The study does not say the results happened in 12 weeks, those amazing results were seen after about a year.

[Pentarou]

The study does not say the results happened in 12 weeks, those amazing results were seen after about a year.

Importantly - on a shaven head, under magnification.

[Knockin on NW4]

guys look



if the follicles are that deep then 1.5mm aint do s hit....

we need to wound around their roots i suppose.....so the stem cells and factors will be produced at that depth.....

what you think?

miniaturized hairs have a shallow depth compared to terminal healthy hairs. they are at least half as deep.

[Conpecia]

More reason to not use the same logic used with all other snake oils

If a study says amazing growth has to happen in 80% of people using it in 12 weeks (with 6 weeks being enough to see some results) but people don't report anything in 12 weeks then:
- The study was flawed
- People didn't performed it as it should, and changing variables, like needle length (or using semen!) is just speculation and has turned experimentation based in a legit study into another weird thing baldies do on hair loss forums with no real reasoning behind

dude, seriously. we know all of this shit. there is nothing to do but try it for 6 months and tweak/abandon it if nothing works. there is literally nothing else we can do at this point. nothing you are saying changes the fact that it should be tried for 6 months, regardless of what the study says. no rational person is expecting this to give him a full head of hair from NW7. we just have to have a bunch of people try it for the same amount of time most people would see results from treatments like minox or propecia. then, if only one out of fifty guys gets any kind of results after 6 months, we know pretty damn conclusively that the study was complete bs and that dermarolling with 1.5mm isn't going to bring back hair like the study suggests.

but if people listen to you and start dropping out after 2.5 or 3 months, and then out of the remaining, say, 10 people, 5 get significant regrowth... we have no clue whether those 5 were incredible responders or whether it simply takes longer. then we have to do this entire ****ing thing all over again next year instead of being able to make adjustments after 6 months with conclusive data.

you are right. it probably will not work like the study. but we will know with certainty if we try it for 6 months. and it's cheap. and once a week. and not time consuming. so let's just do it and not shoot it down over and over.

[LevonHelms]

dude, seriously. we know all of this shit. there is nothing to do but try it for 6 months and tweak/abandon it if nothing works. there is literally nothing else we can do at this point. nothing you are saying changes the fact that it should be tried for 6 months, regardless of what the study says. no rational person is expecting this to give him a full head of hair from NW7. we just have to have a bunch of people try it for the same amount of time most people would see results from treatments like minox or propecia. then, if only one out of fifty guys gets any kind of results after 6 months, we know pretty damn conclusively that the study was complete bs and that dermarolling with 1.5mm isn't going to bring back hair like the study suggests.

but if people listen to you and start dropping out after 2.5 or 3 months, and then out of the remaining, say, 10 people, 5 get significant regrowth... we have no clue whether those 5 were incredible responders or whether it simply takes longer. then we have to do this entire ****ing thing all over again next year instead of being able to make adjustments after 6 months with conclusive data.

you are right. it probably will not work like the study. but we will know with certainty if we try it for 6 months. and it's cheap. and once a week. and not time consuming. so let's just do it and not shoot it down over and over.

Thank you

[Chromeo]

dude, seriously. we know all of this shit. there is nothing to do but try it for 6 months and tweak/abandon it if nothing works. there is literally nothing else we can do at this point. nothing you are saying changes the fact that it should be tried for 6 months, regardless of what the study says. no rational person is expecting this to give him a full head of hair from NW7. we just have to have a bunch of people try it for the same amount of time most people would see results from treatments like minox or propecia. then, if only one out of fifty guys gets any kind of results after 6 months, we know pretty damn conclusively that the study was complete bs and that dermarolling with 1.5mm isn't going to bring back hair like the study suggests.

but if people listen to you and start dropping out after 2.5 or 3 months, and then out of the remaining, say, 10 people, 5 get significant regrowth... we have no clue whether those 5 were incredible responders or whether it simply takes longer. then we have to do this entire ****ing thing all over again next year instead of being able to make adjustments after 6 months with conclusive data.

you are right. it probably will not work like the study. but we will know with certainty if we try it for 6 months. and it's cheap. and once a week. and not time consuming. so let's just do it and not shoot it down over and over.

Yeah, what this guy says.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

nice info thanks

miniaturized hairs have a shallow depth compared to terminal healthy hairs. they are at least half as deep.

[bigentries]

The study does not say the results happened in 12 weeks, those amazing results were seen after about a year.

So they lied about the pictures? The pictures clearly say they are at 12 weeks

dude, seriously. we know all of this shit. there is nothing to do but try it for 6 months and tweak/abandon it if nothing works. there is literally nothing else we can do at this point. nothing you are saying changes the fact that it should be tried for 6 months, regardless of what the study says. no rational person is expecting this to give him a full head of hair from NW7. we just have to have a bunch of people try it for the same amount of time most people would see results from treatments like minox or propecia. then, if only one out of fifty guys gets any kind of results after 6 months, we know pretty damn conclusively that the study was complete bs and that dermarolling with 1.5mm isn't going to bring back hair like the study suggests.

but if people listen to you and start dropping out after 2.5 or 3 months, and then out of the remaining, say, 10 people, 5 get significant regrowth... we have no clue whether those 5 were incredible responders or whether it simply takes longer. then we have to do this entire ****ing thing all over again next year instead of being able to make adjustments after 6 months with conclusive data.

you are right. it probably will not work like the study. but we will know with certainty if we try it for 6 months. and it's cheap. and once a week. and not time consuming. so let's just do it and not shoot it down over and over.

Why 6 months?
Again, I don't understand this kind of rationale people use when a treatment is not going the way they expected

This year people used the same rationale with indomethacin, just wait and pray, don't question anything

I'll complete the 12 weeks, but I'm realistic, people should stop reasoning with naive optimism

And we don't have "5 out of 10" if 50% of people trying it would be getting some results, I would be claiming this is a potential treatment in the future. Besides Prettyfly, no one has provided evidence of regrowth

[Pentarou]

How is this like indomethacin? This is based around a journal article, not some anonymous person on a hair loss forum claiming something without evidence.