Dermarolling Community Trial

[NeedHairASAP]

Im not saying don't do it. I'm just bringing up some potential issues in the logic. U don't know if it does get to your hair without spreading it yourself.... we don't know either way. I can admit that. Its worth I try. I was just throwing out some analysis.

Plus there is some science behind nofap.....just nobody has studied the relationship enough for their to be citable literature.

[greatjob!]

Plus there is some science behind nofap

There is no science behind it, only bro-science. Jerking off doesn't cause hairloss, go find that troll ResearchNeverFails and you guys can have a nofap party while you continue to watch your hair fall out.

[hellouser]

Im not saying don't do it. I'm just bringing up some potential issues in the logic. U don't know if it does get to your hair without spreading it yourself.... we don't know either way. I can admit that. Its worth I try. I was just throwing out some analysis.

Plus there is some science behind nofap.....just nobody has studied the relationship enough for their to be citable literature.

If thats the case, then howcome many male pornstars have a full head of hair, even well past their prime like Ron Jeremy? Abstinence does NOT reverse or halt hair loss. I'd put the blame on that stupid myth squarely on psychotic christians with their stone age thinking in persuading people not to masturbate or have sex before marriage. Absolutely RIDICULOUS.

[DesperateOne]

Im not saying don't do it. I'm just bringing up some potential issues in the logic. U don't know if it does get to your hair without spreading it yourself.... we don't know either way. I can admit that. Its worth I try. I was just throwing out some analysis.

Plus there is some science behind nofap.....just nobody has studied the relationship enough for their to be citable literature.

Really? you're one to talk about logic. First and foremost, I will admit that I have no way to be sure if it is absorbing the way it needs to. The thing is, that's why we're in this mess in the first place, I don't have a lab or a team of scientists with me, all we have in this community is our willingness to experiment, and that alone is sometimes more beneficial because we don't have to wait as long for approved treatments. I am trying to do my part here, but people(Specially old timers and religious nuts) can't seem to get out of the old ways of thinking. Some of you still think that you're the center of the universe and that everything revolves around you, and that your life is morphed by actions of your so called Deity. TROGLODYTES.

I am trying to do my best to try and make it absorb as much as I can. I already found that liquification and dermarolling with .5mm prior to application, does indeed "Feel and Look" like it's being fully absorbed.
I know I can add everclear and other stuff to try and make it absorb better but I will do that if it doesn't work, I don't if alcohol destroys sperms properties. Which I would assume since it's very strong stuff for organic materials, but if you can find that it doesn't, let me know.
Remember, this is MPB we're talking about here, it had no mercy on any of us and we should attack it like a pack of wild wolfs.

[walrus]

Plus there is some science behind nofap.....just nobody has studied the relationship enough for their to be citable literature.

If there is no citable literature, then there is no science behind it.

[NeedHairASAP]

If there is no citable literature, then there is no science behind it.

I didnt say fapping was the only cause.... I think over fapping speeds up or can hinder hairloss in a similar fashion to how the hormonal issues...which are the main cause

Listen to your logic walpus.... should we expect no future scientific discoveries because no research on it exists today?

Now listen to your other statements guys:

Semen has good stuff for hair in it

Fapping has no effect on hair loss


Basically u guys cite one paper that claims the dht that fapping creats only pasts ten minutes..... one study.... and u base ypur entite conclusion on it without asking if its true, if there are two exogenous variables.. nothing.

And yet u rub it on your head (which, again, I am down with)

I was just mentioning some possible issues w the theory....please continue and let us know how it goes

[greatjob!]

I didnt say fapping was the only cause.... I think over fapping speeds up or can hinder hairloss in a similar fashion to how the hormonal issues...which are the main cause

Just because some guy on the internet wrote some bull about jerking it contributing to hairloss and you bought into it doesn't make it so.

Please show me one single credible source that suggest masturbation contributes to hairloss.

While you're at it show me that wearing a hat causes hairloss, working out causes hairloss, hairloss only comes from your mothers side, combing your hair causes hairloss ect. ect. It's all old wives tale pseudoscience.

[walrus]

Listen to your logic walpus.... should we expect no future scientific discoveries because no research on it exists today?

No, but the fact remains you have an unsubstantiated theory.

[mmmcoffee]

If I remember correctly, masturbating does affect your hormones but it raises Testosterone either slightly or for not long enough to have a detrimental effect on hair.

I think the same goes for lifting weights. My guess is the rumor of lifting weights speeding up balding came from anabolic steroid use, which DOES speed up balding, and scare mongers just assumed healthy exercise speeds up balding, when it doesn't

[hellouser]

If I remember correctly, masturbating does affect your hormones but it raises Testosterone either slightly or for not long enough to have a detrimental effect on hair.

I think the same goes for lifting weights. My guess is the rumor of lifting weights speeding up balding came from anabolic steroid use, which DOES speed up balding, and scare mongers just assumed healthy exercise speeds up balding, when it doesn't

This.

End of discussion and wrong thread on top of that. Sigh.

[Tracy C]

Did I mention this really hurts?

But if you are rolling with as much vigor as those reporting results...

Sorry, I am unable to take those who are reporting results so soon very seriously. I am duplicating the pilot study as much as I possibly can without altering my current regimen too much.

On a side note, I missed the explanation for why you are using plastic wrap.

I'm a girl. I have long hair that could easily get tangled up in the roller. The plastic wrap is food grade so there is not much to be concerned about - if anything at all. I do inspect the used wrap when I am done to make sure pieces have not been left behind on my scalp. The needles of the roller are very small and plenty sharp enough to poke through the plastic without tearing it up.

I prep the area I am going to roll over with betadine before I put the plastic wrap on. Then again after I have rolled and removed the plastic. Then I use the same cotton ball I used to apply the betadine to put a very thin film of Neosporin over the area. The first time I rolled I did not put Neosporin over the area afterwards and I was very uncomfortable the next two days.

[PatientlyWaiting]

Tracy, aren't you a woman, not a girl?

I don't remember the last time I referred to myself as a boy and i'm 24.

[hellouser]

Tracy, aren't you a woman, not a girl?

I don't remember the last time I referred to myself as a boy and i'm 24.

Women are allowed to fake it. Men are supposed to 'man up' and admit old age. Too bad men age gracefully like a fine wine.. women age like milk. Well, unless we're balding, the wine analogy doesn't really apply.

[BBay]

wounding

Thanks for the info I was going to use 0.5mm till I read the paper and understood the 5 day wait between wounding

in that video, the guy doesnt understand how wounding works, positive results are not from increased absorption, but from the natural expression of growth factors post wounding. thats why u need to wait at least 5-7 days between wounding sessions.

Pge2 increases fgf9 expression wich allows for folicle neogenesis post wounding. without pge2 or minox, wich increases pge2 , folicle neogenesis cant occur, just scarring that can inhibit growth. This is essentially Follica's method.


yes rolling increases absorption, but that isnt the goal of this trial. thats why they did not apply minox 24hr after wounding in the study, to rule out increased absorption being the cause of regrowth. and u MUST wait at least five days bewteen roll sesions for the body to express these growth factors .


ps 1mm is too short , ive tried this, go with 1.5 or 2mm, no pain no gain. unless u incorporate topical lidocaine before wounding

[Tracy C]

Tracy, aren't you a woman, not a girl?

I don't remember the last time I referred to myself as a boy and i'm 24.

I have girlfriends who are a lot older than me who still refer to themselves as girls. I never give it any thought actually. I was just free writing and more concerned with the explanation than the fact that I am female.