So how close are we to a new 'cure'

[walrus]

The best scam has to be "climate change".

I dont know about you, but the climate has always been changing, it was raining and windy yesterday, it's sunny and mild today. I dont believe it, I never will, it's all garbage and bullshit.

Off topic: but if you think that large scale, global, climate change is relatable to day - to - day weather variation that you witness within your own limited lifespan - you misunderstand the theory.

[sausage]

Thats not the point. Its unacceptable that in 2013 this is the best option we've got. THATS the problem.

Where is the push for innovation? A cure? A proper treatment? One time procedure to halt further loss? A regular top up like with Histogen to keep hair growing?

Even if fin works.. it doesnt reverse shit for nearly all men. Thats not a solution to most men, and as pointed out, for higher norwoods its crap.

I'm demanding something better, Propecia shouldnt even be in the discussion in 2013.

God DAMN IT we've failed as a hair loss community!!!!

Well I did say I agreed with that point about it being pretty crap that we don't have a cure yet.......I am not sure 'unacceptable' is the right word but when you hear about some of the amazing things being done in relation to biological science, you do wonder how things like blindness might actually be cured before baldness, seeing as curing blindness seems incredible, to me it seems like a much more difficult thing to do when compared to making hair grow or at least remain on the head. Also, recently it was announced a cure for dementia will be found soon.

I don't know what is going on in the world of hair science so I can't really comment on whether or not scientists, doctors, pharmacists are doing enough to help cure baldness. I would have thought there are many many people out there putting their time and effort into finding a cure as it will make them filthy rich if they do. But it also costs a lot of money to do the research in the first place.

A lot of things today are being cured by cells........isn't that is what is being talked about today in relation to baldness........

Can't we just inject some cells into the head that form follicles and tadah.....hair grows.

[VictimOfDHT]

The best scam has to be "climate change".

I dont know about you, but the climate has always been changing, it was raining and windy yesterday, it's sunny and mild today. I dont believe it, I never will, it's all garbage and bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwA1ENqxI

Well UK, this has nothing to do with hair loss but I'm glad there's at least one other person on the planet who shares my view on the climate change SCAM That's what I've been saying. They keep telling us the climate is "changing"... blah blah blah...No kidding! The climate HAS BEEN CHANGING since this planet came into existence. There are deserts where there used to be seas and oceans and the other way around too. The Grand Canyons were once underwater and look at them now. The Arabian desert was once forests and rivers.... But unfortunately, most people are too gullible and are so easily manipulated and brainwashed they just can't use their own brains and common sense to see this simple fact (that the climate and the world itself have always been changing). Are we polluting the planet? Yes. Is there global warming? NO. A few years ago snow fell in the UAE for the first time ever! The Central Valley in California had deep freeze for about 2 weeks in the early 90's! It was like a record for that area to have such extremely cold temps. What those scammers (scientists) say about it? Well, listen to this, they said just because it's called global WARMING that doesn't necessarily mean temps are only going to be going up!! How funny and stupid that is !! So, to those scammers the word "warming" can also mean the opposite -temps will dip! Seriously ? How can they say such bull shit with a straight face ?

Indeed, this is one of the BIGGEST scams ever and the whole thing is just a way for a few people to make a nice living out of selling this scam. Ask Al Gore (who likes to preach about "global warming" travelling in his private commercial jet !!!!).
Anyway, like they say, repeat a lie a 100 times and it will become a fact....and most people will believe it.

Oh yeah, to the guy who asked whether he should hold off on the HT, NO. Just go ahead and get it done. You're fooling yourself and only wasting precious time if you believe there's going to be a cure or a good treatment any time soon. Just go and get it done, NOW. It's been said a million times but I'll say it again, we've been hearing about a "cure" coming in the near future for the past 20 years or so....Chances are we're going to be saying this 20 years from now.

[moore]

Knowledge

@Desmond84, that professor made a point. But apart from the suffering, baldness is about knowledge.

It is true that we get old, and age has an impact on physical appearance.
But that is something that we should (and we would of course) accept if we were just animals.

Baldness is only a phenotype that was selected a lot of years ago when getting older was a sign of evolution fitness. AFAIK some species of monkey get bald as well and this is still seen as a sign of maturity from prospective partners.

This does not mean homo sapiens should accept it without any question.
There should be no dogma in science.

Besides, I think the professor was superficial in stating "you lose all your hair", since that does not appear to be true. Some hair get miniaturized, other hair remain intact even when you are 100 years old, some hair even switch from vellus to terminal while you are balding (ear hair, hair on shoulders, etc).

So understanding these processes should be the key not only to manipulate our follicles and have them in the way we like them to be, but also to reach a physical appearance that we feel as representing our being alive.
We are not just animals. We should be free to decide whether to have hair, where to have it, etc.

[UK_]

The best scam has to be "climate change".

I dont know about you, but the climate has always been changing, it was raining and windy yesterday, it's sunny and mild today. I dont believe it, I never will, it's all garbage and bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwA1ENqxI

[UK_]

It doesnt matter either way if you ask me, it's a con-game, you can work all you like the average person will be shovelled shit about becoming substantially wealthy if they "work hard" only to see the value of their labours plummet over a 30 year period due to increasing taxes and inflation which eats 10% of the value of their savings each year, so technicially you get poorer and end up working more and more and more until you're old and classed as a useless eater.

You can circumvent all of this however by joining in on the madness and involving yourself with some of the most corrupt bastards on the face of this earth. I've also never understood where all the money goes, for the past 20 years we've been paying astronomical amounts of tax, which apparently goes toward paying for public services, however within the space of 3 years after recession (36 ****ing months) EVERY GOVERNMENT ON EARTH turns around collectively and states "we've run out of money, and we need to implement austerity" - there's just something not right about that.

[Desmond84]

Why do some people not go bald then? Why do some people go bald at birth but are NW2 until 70's.

It's ridiculous, I'm actually someone who refuses to accept big pharma conspiracy but there must be something going on here seriously, 2013 and no better treatments than 25 years ago?!?!?! Are you shitting me?!?!?!

I remember how they used to say "in the future" people will work a lot less and live leisurely lives as technology takes care of our workloads - what a complete con that was, if you're not idiotic enough to cherry-pick aspects of your environment that have become a little easier over the years (talking to your wife while driving a car) then it's clear people are working longer, harder and later on in their lives, they're finding it more difficult to get jobs, to get housing and to even afford the costs of having children.

+1 UK

Physical work may have become a thing of the past BUT the amount of time and energy spent into our works has definitely increased! Those in retail work much later hours than 50 years ago, those in high profile jobs or real estate need to always have their phone next to them regardless of whether they're working or not...and NOT to mention the pressure those in the health industry are under! Doctors, nurses, surgeons and pharmacists have all been dealt a blow with the increased demand from them for a much lower income!

Then again we are the 99% right! 1% of us are loving life regardless of hair or not!!!

Future is what we make of it...let's change things NOW...our brothers who started going through this mess 12 years ago had so much hope pinned on Hair multiplication...reading their posts from 2002-2006 breaks your heart! I personally don't wanna be the next generation of baldness sufferer that ppl will look back on with a sense of pity for being too wishful!

We need to demand more from our academics and social media or nothing will change!

[UK_]

Why do some people not go bald then? Why do some people go bald at birth but are NW2 until 70's.

It's ridiculous, I'm actually someone who refuses to accept big pharma conspiracy but there must be something going on here seriously, 2013 and no better treatments than 25 years ago?!?!?! Are you shitting me?!?!?!

I remember how they used to say "in the future" people will work a lot less and live leisurely lives as technology takes care of our workloads - what a complete con that was, if you're not idiotic enough to cherry-pick aspects of your environment that have become a little easier over the years (talking to your wife while driving a car) then it's clear people are working longer, harder and later on in their lives, they're finding it more difficult to get jobs, to get housing and to even afford the costs of having children.

Big pharma is nothing but one big scam, just look at the field of psychology, it's similar to a global pyramid scheme based upon psuedo-science and garbage like the DSM, the hair loss game is likely no different, you could tell years ago Washenik had no faith in "Ji Gami" they just kept the scam going a little longer and didnt even have the balls to make an open public announcement when they closed. "Making waves in Hawaii" <<rolf yeah right, more like a sunken ship.

[Desmond84]

I was at a lecture today and our professor of Microbiology was talking about the circle of life and it really grabbed my attention. He said:

"Life's one big circle. You're born bald and wrinkly, then you have hair and then you lose all your hair and become wrinkly again! It's just a fact of life and we must accept it"

I don't know, as much as it's definitely true, I still want to fight for my odds as small as they seem to be!

He's a NW7 btw in his mid 60's. I was really intrigued by the fact that a man of his status with all his academic achievements and great depth of knowledge still has a soft spot for baldness to the point that he used baldness as his example to summarise our lives.

On another note, I was blown away that our professors in Biology see baldness as a natural course of events our body undertakes with no real need for intervention! I think we are starting to find the real reason why it is now 20 years since another product for baldness has been approved! (i.e. post-fin)

I think we should all be advocates for change BOTH in the hair loss industry and in the academic arena! We need to discuss the emotional toll baldness brings about followed by the social stigmas that are attached to it. Baldness is not merely a cosmetic issue but also a real cause of psycho-social burden that can have a huge impact on the decisions we make in life (particularly those in the younger age group)

We need NEW generation of biologists who are not afraid to intervene in the Biological clock...acceptance is a fancy word for "stalement", "failure", "giving-up"! And to be honest guys, no one else will do it as fast and wholeheartedly as those that are suffering themselves...

Regardless of what you studied, being Medicine, Biology, Regenerative Medicine, Business, Commerce, advertising, you all can play a role in bringing about change! Some more than others but together we will be unbeatable...

I'm tired of waiting and I'm sure most of you guys are as well...so let's brainstorm a plan of attack! Let's work this out!

[hellouser]

I am not a promoter or passionate Propecia maniac......

I am simply saying it must have worked for some people as leading people in the industry use it and have apparently has success with it.

I am sure the people like Spex, Spencer Kobren, Dr Raghu Reddy and Jotronic (I assume they all take it, don't count that as fact) are all happy with it, seeing as far as I am aware they have all kept a lot of their hair.

Yeah it's not what we want as a 'cure' but if it works for you and your willing to do it, it is an option.

For me personally it didn't work. Weirdly a surgeon I spoke to the other day was amazed that it didn't work for me, which confused me.......I am pretty sure it doesn't claim 100% success rates........as far as I know it's more like 80% of men notice some sort of positive result from it.

Thats not the point. Its unacceptable that in 2013 this is the best option we've got. THATS the problem.

Where is the push for innovation? A cure? A proper treatment? One time procedure to halt further loss? A regular top up like with Histogen to keep hair growing?

Even if fin works.. it doesnt reverse shit for nearly all men. Thats not a solution to most men, and as pointed out, for higher norwoods its crap.

I'm demanding something better, Propecia shouldnt even be in the discussion in 2013.

God DAMN IT we've failed as a hair loss community!!!!

[sausage]

Yeah, so how is Propecia supposed to be a wonder pill? Youre better off taking avodart (dutasteride) as it raises testosterone which can lead to a greater sex drive, unlike Fin.

How the fvck can anyone be satisfied with propecia still being the best solution in 2013?? That is mind boggling.

I am not a promoter or passionate Propecia maniac......

I am simply saying it must have worked for some people as leading people in the industry use it and have apparently has success with it.

I am sure the people like Spex, Spencer Kobren, Dr Raghu Reddy and Jotronic (I assume they all take it, don't count that as fact) are all happy with it, seeing as far as I am aware they have all kept a lot of their hair.

Yeah it's not what we want as a 'cure' but if it works for you and your willing to do it, it is an option.

For me personally it didn't work. Weirdly a surgeon I spoke to the other day was amazed that it didn't work for me, which confused me.......I am pretty sure it doesn't claim 100% success rates........as far as I know it's more like 80% of men notice some sort of positive result from it.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

Is dut really better for sex drive?

[hellouser]

There is practically a cure for NW3's and above.........if you are willing to take it......it all comes back to.......

Propecia, so many leading people in this industry use it and strongly believe it works..........so it must work...........save your NW3 and then get a transplant.

Done!....you are cured my friends.


For those of us that are much further along than NW3......we're screwed.

Yeah, so how is Propecia supposed to be a wonder pill? Youre better off taking avodart (dutasteride) as it raises testosterone which can lead to a greater sex drive, unlike Fin.

How the fvck can anyone be satisfied with propecia still being the best solution in 2013?? That is mind boggling.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

or try some of the experimental topical aa's (ru, cb...etc)

[sausage]

There is practically a cure for NW3's and above.........if you are willing to take it......it all comes back to.......

Propecia, so many leading people in this industry use it and strongly believe it works..........so it must work...........save your NW3 and then get a transplant.

Done!....you are cured my friends.


For those of us that are much further along than NW3......we're screwed.