Pantostin (Alfatradiol)

[Desmond84]

All of this confusion and fear of taking anti-androgens is resting on the misconceived notion that DHT has no use in the male body, an assertion actually made by Merck in their "2% side effect study" - I'm going state the obvious; if it's existed in the human body for millions of years of evolution then it HAS a ****ing purpose.

DHT is most definitely needed...but with finasteride we're only blocking around 45-51% of plasma DHT in our body at 1mg/day....around 40-45% at 0.25mg/day!

There's enough DHT to maintain normal functions to some extent hopefully till we get our hands on a better treatment!

I know it's hard UK...believe me brother I hate taking this crap! But what if Histogen gets delayed again and we wont get our hands on it till 2017-2018!

[HARIRI]

DESMOND84, I think so far Keratene Alphactive Retard is the only alternative to FIN with studies. We have to wait for something new and proven especially topical...

[UK_]

DHT is most definitely needed...but with finasteride we're only blocking around 45-51% of plasma DHT in our body at 1mg/day....around 40-45% at 0.25mg/day!

There's enough DHT to maintain normal functions to some extent hopefully till we get our hands on a better treatment!

I know it's hard UK...believe me brother I hate taking this crap! But what if Histogen gets delayed again and we wont get our hands on it till 2017-2018!

I know... I ordered my Fin and it arrived but dont know if I can bring myself to take it.

[Desmond84]

DESMOND84, I think so far Keratene Alphactive Retard is the only alternative to FIN with studies. We have to wait for something new and proven especially topical...

Very true...I'm watching the Keratene thread very closely Hariri...let's see what the blood tests show! I've got my fingers crossed

BTT forum is a priceless wealth of information...and its members are some of the best in any online forum!

Let's beat this curse together

[Desmond84]

I know... I ordered my Fin and it arrived but dont know if I can bring myself to take it.

Uhhh man, I've been there! Don't rush it brother...you have to be ready for it!

And when you are...start very low and then don't take anymore for a week...just see how your body feels! Update us on it as often as you want...we'll be here for you

[UK_]

Uhhh man, I've been there! Don't rush it brother...you have to be ready for it!

And when you are...start very low and then don't take anymore for a week...just see how your body feels! Update us on it as often as you want...we'll be here for you

Thanks man, always good to see you posting Des.

[JulioGP]

There are several alternative treatments that are potential. The Kératene is one of them. If work exactly as proposed, goodbye Finasteride. Besides being a focused product for baldness rather than prostate, is not an inhibitor of 5AR but a retarder.

Expect this Hystogen reach the market is to have the same perspective expected to end hunger on the planet.

I see only one advantage of Fina front of these other 5AR inhibitors. Everyone already knows which side to expect and it is only a matter of time before they happen (which can occur months or years), the rest of the mechanism of action is the same, inhibit 5AR. In this case I see no difference in using topical finasteride or topical Pantostin. The effect is the same.

What makes the difference in any of these applications is the vehicle to carry the substance into the skin depending on the amount and may also have systemic absorption and bring about the same effects.

[Jcm800]

I know... I ordered my Fin and it arrived but dont know if I can bring myself to take it.

Don't mean to keep harping on about this but being as you are ordering from the same place as I would be UK, can you me whether it's easy to cut Finpecia into quarters dude? I was advised by the salesperson that it isnt as the pill disintegrates? Cheers.

[Dazza]

Don't mean to keep harping on about this but being as you are ordering from the same place as I would be UK, can you me whether it's easy to cut Finpecia into quarters dude? I was advised by the salesperson that it isnt as the pill disintegrates? Cheers.

never heard this and i have been to afew doctors. Cutting the pill into quarters is extremely easy. my pill cutter comes with a sealed box where i can store my cut pills (bought from Lloyds Pharmacy).

Question are you guys getting your Fin online? if so how come? i went to my GP told her my problem, got all the necessary blood work and then was proscribed fin. my GP even went our her way to get me the generic stuff. i get 3 packs (x28pills in a pack) lasts me just under a year (cut into quarters) and cost me £7.49 for the 3packs from Lloyds pharmacy.

[youngin]

I have been using Pantostin for a month. I found several studies about 17a-estradiol and none of them had great results. This is not a replacement for FIN. I would say that it will have some effect, but not strong. It has given no sides so its worth trying. I got mine from superhumangear and it was legit.

[Thinning87]

How do we not know about this? It's been available for many years in Germany!

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Alfatradiol is a 5α-reductase inhibitor used topically for the treatment of androgenic alopecia (hair loss) in men and women.

A clinical study performed in Germany seemed to reveal that Alfatradiol may perform well at slowing down or stopping the progression of hair loss whereas minoxidil proved to increase hair density and overall hair shaft thickness.

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For those that can NOT tolerate Finasteride, they should definitely try this Pantostin! Due to its mechanism of action...it is most probably as effective as Finasteride...

Furthermore, apart from a slight itching, NO adverse effect has been reported with this drug!!!

Nice find, and welcome back!

PS THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO REORGANIZE THE FREAKING FORUM IN A WAY THAT ALL INFO IS STORED IN DETAIL AND IS READILY ACCESSIBLE. WHERE ARE THE MODS ON THIS? THE FORUM NEEDS TO BE SO THAT ALL USEFUL LITERATURE IS CONSERVED FOR THOSE WHO COME IN LATER AND WANT TO LEARN. IT'S THE WILD WEST RIGHT NOW!

[UK_]

Don't mean to keep harping on about this but being as you are ordering from the same place as I would be UK, can you me whether it's easy to cut Finpecia into quarters dude? I was advised by the salesperson that it isnt as the pill disintegrates? Cheers.

Just get a decent pill cutter an you'll be fine - have you placed an order from UKFIN?

[Jcm800]

Just get a decent pill cutter an you'll be fine - have you placed an order from UKFIN?

Cheers. No haven't yet. Bit reluctant to spend £70 initially on a trial run, still chewing it over. Will you start this week?

[clandestine]

PS THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO REORGANIZE THE FREAKING FORUM IN A WAY THAT ALL INFO IS STORED IN DETAIL AND IS READILY ACCESSIBLE. WHERE ARE THE MODS ON THIS? THE FORUM NEEDS TO BE SO THAT ALL USEFUL LITERATURE IS CONSERVED FOR THOSE WHO COME IN LATER AND WANT TO LEARN. IT'S THE WILD WEST RIGHT NOW!

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10ch

[Dees Dab]

I have been using Pantostin for a month. I found several studies about 17a-estradiol and none of them had great results. This is not a replacement for FIN. I would say that it will have some effect, but not strong. It has given no sides so its worth trying. I got mine from superhumangear and it was legit.

Young, are you planning any blood tests to check dht , t , etc levels?

Thanks Des for bringin this up. Keratine or Pantostin or what's around next month? I'm so confused.