Mousseigne, french doctor, on the road of donor regeneration

[UK_]

With all due respect to everyone, I find it amazing that anyone could get bent out of shape about what the inventor of a technique or service wants to charge for it.

These doctors will charge whatever the market will bare and if you can't afford it or don't have the credit to finance it, then you are shit out of luck. Thats the way the world works. I'd love to drive a BMW 7 series, but I can't afford it. Should I complain that BMW charges too much for their cars?

Yes BMW should be outlawed because YOU cant afford to buy one of their cars.

Let the doctor charge 20 - 30k you get what you pay for, if you want scars and thin balding donor region then go pay 3,000 euros for a regular FUE.

[Mathieu]

When I read forums, and BTT is unfortunately no exception, I often imagine that some users' head is a hollow cavity hosting a screaming, randomly jumping around chimp which is high on coke. I admit that this hysteria is both entertaining and distressing to watch. I also very much doubt it can be stopped with rational & honest arguments.... so I guess I'll just have to cope with it!

Anyway, I notice that the last pages are filled with agressive rants & speculations, fueled mostly by simplistic & demagogic reasonings. Some guys obviously have no grasp of economics, just as much as they ignore this particular HT market's reality.

Give me a few hours and I'll answer in detail to your main concerns. Hopefully it will clear out any misunderstanding for those who, inside their head, have an operative brain instead of a raging coke-addicted chimp.

[534623]

The price of 17k for 2500 FUE is without regen in the donor which is what he is currently asking for a standard procedure op currently going for much less.

How do you justify this when you could get 2500+ fue for almost 10k less from another doc? Thats the problem we have. Its an insane mark up.

Who the hell is "Dr. Bruno Mousseigne" at all?
And who the hell is "Mathieu"?
Maybe I missed something ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=119942&postcount=10

... but that's everything he said so far.

Anyway, has anybody here ever seen any FUE results by Dr. Mousseigne?

In 2005, he published (in French) a "pocketbook" about FUE...

http://www.amazon.de/Calvitie-F-U-E-follicular-unit-extraction/dp/2913715109/ref=la_B004MPSEIE_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367512840&sr=1-1

..and I can only find 1 video about his FUE work on youtube:

http://youtu.be/br-n6TmkUyU

[MrBlonde]

We are talking about cosmetic surgery here, and unfortunately this IS considered a luxury item in most of the free world, just like a fancy car. I understand how this effects us emotionally, but cosmetic surgeons will always charge a premium for their service because they can. You guys just need to come to terms with this and adjust your finances accordingly.

The price of 17k for 2500 FUE is without regen in the donor which is what he is currently asking for a standard procedure op currently going for much less.

How do you justify this when you could get 2500+ fue for almost 10k less from another doc? Thats the problem we have. Its an insane mark up.

You mean to tell me you would not be angry if your local shop started charging £17 pound for bread and milk when other shops a further walk away charged £7?

If you are ok with the "I'll charge whatever price I like" without looking at the industry standard then by all means go ahead and pay it. The phrase there is one born every minute springs to mind. Pleas note his price is for a standard non regen FUE and nothing more.

[PayDay]

that's the thing, nobody's s.o.l. whatsoever if this product does not outperform gho and if we keep getting good news about histogen, etc.

the market isn't going to bare this in the first place unless it's cost-justified. if we can go get fue with a master like rahal on the hairline and then supplement with gho as needed at less expense and with better results then few people will pay those prices.

if lexus manufactured a superior car to the 7 series and charged much less for it, would you bring that up to the bmw dealer who shows up at your house and tries to sell you one?

it all rides on how well the recipient area looks and whether they can improve upon gho. hopefully they can take the technology further, regardless of the cost.

That's completely correct. It's comes down to what the market will bare. Prices will be adjusted accordingly. If it turns out this is better than what we currently have, they can name their price. If someone comes out with the same thing for less, they will have to adjust their pricing to compete. If it's a flop, it has no bearing on the market. That's the way it works.

[Conpecia]

With all due respect to everyone, I find it amazing that anyone could get bent out of shape about what the inventor of a technique or service wants to charge for it.

These doctors will charge whatever the market will bare and if you can't afford it or don't have the credit to finance it, then you are shit out of luck. Thats the way the world works. I'd love to drive a BMW 7 series, but I can't afford it. Should I complain that BMW charges too much for their cars?

that's the thing, nobody's s.o.l. whatsoever if this product does not outperform gho and if we keep getting good news about histogen, etc.

the market isn't going to bare this in the first place unless it's cost-justified. if we can go get fue with a master like rahal on the hairline and then supplement with gho as needed at less expense and with better results then few people will pay those prices.

if lexus manufactured a superior car to the 7 series and charged much less for it, would you bring that up to the bmw dealer who shows up at your house and tries to sell you one?

it all rides on how well the recipient area looks and whether they can improve upon gho. hopefully they can take the technology further, regardless of the cost.

[PayDay]

we are not talking about fancy cars here, it's about people's depressing situation and medical treatment to solve their issue.

We are talking about cosmetic surgery here, and unfortunately this IS considered a luxury item in most of the free world, just like a fancy car. I understand how this effects us emotionally, but cosmetic surgeons will always charge a premium for their service because they can. You guys just need to come to terms with this and adjust your finances accordingly.

[hellouser]

we are not talking about fancy cars here, it's about people's depressing situation and medical treatment to solve their issue.

Agreed.

This is our HEALTH, not a friggin tangible luxury.

[caddarik79]

we are not talking about fancy cars here, it's about people's depressing situation and medical treatment to solve their issue.

[PayDay]

With all due respect to everyone, I find it amazing that anyone could get bent out of shape about what the inventor of a technique or service wants to charge for it.

These doctors will charge whatever the market will bare and if you can't afford it or don't have the credit to finance it, then you are shit out of luck. Thats the way the world works. I'd love to drive a BMW 7 series, but I can't afford it. Should I complain that BMW charges too much for their cars?

[One]

Ahhah what is interesting that this doctor can do the double?

I have no way to double mine money!

In his price list, read: 2500 grafts 17,000 € (22,230 $)

What do we do with raddopiare donors if it serves one million dollars to win baldness?

[Jasari]

Amen mate, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I'm not bashing based on myths and legends, I'm bashing based on what Mousseigne is already asking for stupid FUE.

There are two major problems with GHO:

1.) 1600 grafts per treatment is nowhere near enough.

2.) The price is still incredibly expensive.

Unless this new doctor can a.) Provide far more grafts in one treatment with the same regeneration + b.) sell for a reduced cost he will be in a situation where nobody has any reason to see him.

Why would someone pay more money for the same treatment, with less documentation and similar results. Thats the definition of insanity.

[caddarik79]

Those prices are definitely way too high.

The evidence thus far looks good, but god damn those prices are out of reach for so many people, they'll just opt out and go with Gho, especially since he's got more clinics as well.

Like I said, it cant be a 'me-too' product (or service) without anything superior for a significantly higher price.

It really needs to be said, that baldness is no joke and to pay such high prices should not be the reality we live in. I would of course give a lot of my hard earned cash to reverse my mental health, depression, quality of life, social anxiety, etc if it meant getting back my hair..... but there are bounderies, and asking for more than $20,000 per session is going well beyond that boundary. It needs to be less than Gho's pricing. Period.

Amen mate, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I'm not bashing based on myths and legends, I'm bashing based on what Mousseigne is already asking for stupid FUE.

[caddarik79]

listen Moron,

You can call me idiot, that's fine for me.
As I said before, but WE ARE the market, WE HAVE THE RIGHT to ask for fairness and also to anticipate and bring some important questions...
I'm not really shooting down, I give facts, you are not even reacting on the FUE prices of the dude...
I consider it normal as they come here to sell something to underline their already craazyyy insane prices on FUE and ask about prices prior to any other debate.
Who cares if he can do the same as Dr Gho for twice the price?

Yes I am anticipating because it is a crucial question.
And yes Gho is expensive but way less then Mousseigne.

This dude Mathieu, he came on Hairsite a month ago, and was just teasing, not even replying to,people after his little big breaking news.
I would do things differently then you.

question 1 SHOULD BE: do you plan to be less expensive then Dr. Gho?

If yes, then I'll pay attention to your product, if not, I don't see the point.

Gho is documented but we are still having threads about 50 grafts test, it will be the same with Mousseigne.

THE ONLY QUESTION IS: are you cheaper for the same product, with same or even better results? If yes, bingo (+ it would oblige Gho to revise his prices)
If not, it is still a good news to see other Doctors working on regeneration but I'm not interested.
As you said, Gho is already quite an expense but when you compare to some FUE big boyz, he is actually kind of average. (not democratic, not crazy high)


I'm not blinded by my Gho experience but I'm very satisfied with them, they seem very honest and professional...
It does not mean that I'm not welcoming any other progress... I wish we had someone else then Nigam (cause he acts weird to often) to force the competition.
So I'm not bashing based on nothing, I'm bashing based on his f*ck*ng FUE insane prices... and yes the price is the ONLY real big question.

I hope you get why the price is a starter question, because for the rest, even if Mathieu brings documented cases, Mousseigne will be discussed and debated and conroversed the same way as Gho, some will be neverending doubters, some will give it a try and some will be fans.

That's why I maintain, price is the central question...don't let him f*ck your mind with fake proximity communication and coolness and blabla... he is here for his own interst, not yours, he is here to sell something...which is fair... but we are on the other side, we are the potential clients, we also have to show we are not desperate enough to trust Mousseigne prices policy (based on his FUE sh*tty prices)

I'm not teaching you anything if I say that hair loss business is the most crappy and full of cupid and disgusting assholes unethic commercial people? right?

[greatjob!]

Call me idiot, I don't give a f... my point is very simple, if the actual FUE of this doctor is already more expensive then the actual HST of Gho, tell me in the name of what he would bring his brand new amaaaaaaazing regeneration technique for a cheaper price??? are you kidding?

It's pure logic and mathematic... old rubbish FUE more expensive then Gho HST means that brand new FUE-L will be for millionaires.

I said in the end of my post that I might be wrong but it does not smell good.
I am actually taking position to defend us and I'm not a Gho fanboy, just realistic...
They will jump on the fact that Gho is controversial, and they will try to have the good role of the one Docteur bringing something very documented...they had time to analyze this forum (are you naive? look at the way Mathieu is teasing here) and see on what people are angry about Gho and they will just play it differently...but trust me, the prices are not going to go down.

I would never have said that if his FUE were not craaaaaaazily expensive!!!!!
17.000 euros for 2.500 grafts with no regeneration...are you joking?

http://drbrunomousseigne.com/

I got 1800 HST grafts for 9.400 euros, he is asking 10.500 euros for 1500 unregenerated f*ck*ng FUE.... who the hell is the idiot? the prices are ridiculous, I repeat RI-DI-CU-LOUS.


I'm just wondering why pharma and suregeons are sooo punishing hair loss people, when I see the prices proposed for who wants to fix something.

Everything you are saying is complete speculation based on nothing but your opinion. Let the man present his information before you shoot him down. I didn't know you had a procedure with Gho, but it makes sense. Go along and play with Ironman and other Gho fanboys. I will withhold judgment on this treatment until actual facts are presented, instead of making assumptions based on nothing. Im not saying this treatment will be cheap I'm not even saying he is actually regenerating donor all I'm say is wait until he presents information before you shoot him down, other wise, like I said you are just another idiot.

And BTW Gho is expensive as well so....