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  • Thinning87
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 839

    yeah but a creme to slow/stop hair loss is not a cure...

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    • rdawg
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2012
      • 996

      Originally posted by Thinning87
      yeah but a creme to slow/stop hair loss is not a cure...
      No but I'd say it's the first half of the puzzle.

      DHT inhibition maintains and maybe reinforces weakened follicles, but it will not cause much growth(or extremely rarely).

      We also need a growth inducer/booster, which Histogen may potentially be.

      I think that's the next gen of stuff as science grows, and then 15 years down the line we'll have gene therapy or whatever.

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      • hellouser
        Senior Member
        • May 2012
        • 4419

        Originally posted by rdawg
        No but I'd say it's the first half of the puzzle.

        DHT inhibition maintains and maybe reinforces weakened follicles, but it will not cause much growth(or extremely rarely).

        We also need a growth inducer/booster, which Histogen may potentially be.

        I think that's the next gen of stuff as science grows, and then 15 years down the line we'll have gene therapy or whatever.
        Cosmo showed nearly a 40% increase in hair count after CB-03-01 was used. That isn't something to scoff at.

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        • Desmond84
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 987

          Hey guys,

          Just a reminder that we are now:

          - 4 weeks away from Histogen's final Phase I/II results (12 months results), and

          - 12 weeks till Aderans' Final Phase 2 results after 11 years of research!

          This is it guys; it's make or break for us! If these 2 treatments don't pull through this year then we are in exactly the same place Spencer Kobren was back in 1996! Fin & Minox for a long time to come!

          Exciting times and nerve racking at the same time!

          Let's hope we finally get some decent news to put our minds at ease...

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          • hellouser
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 4419

            Originally posted by Desmond84
            Hey guys,

            Just a reminder that we are now:

            - 4 weeks away from Histogen's final Phase I/II results (12 months results), and

            - 12 weeks till Aderans' Final Phase 2 results after 11 years of research!

            This is it guys; it's make or break for us! If these 2 treatments don't pull through this year then we are in exactly the same place Spencer Kobren was back in 1996! Fin & Minox for a long time to come!

            Exciting times and nerve racking at the same time!

            Let's hope we finally get some decent news to put our minds at ease...
            Fvck that, I'm sticking to CB/RU and Minox instead. No way am I going to let that garbage known as Finasteride mess with my penis.

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            • hellouser
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 4419

              Originally posted by Desmond84
              - 12 weeks till Aderans' Final Phase 2 results after 11 years of research!
              Did Aderans announce a date for all their Phase II trial results? Do you have a source? They should already be done all their Phase II trials by now if not by the end of this month at the very latest.

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              • Desmond84
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 987

                Originally posted by hellouser
                Fvck that, I'm sticking to CB/RU and Minox instead. No way am I going to let that garbage known as Finasteride mess with my penis.
                Touche Let's hope Cosmo is taking CB seriously! It seems like all companies treat hairloss as a secondary objective! No one's taking it seriously enough! CB should have been on the market back in 2006!

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                • Arashi
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3888

                  Originally posted by Desmond84
                  If these 2 treatments don't pull through this year then we are in exactly the same place Spencer Kobren was back in 1996! Fin & Minox for a long time to come!
                  This is not true at all Desmond. We have Gho, which is a HUGE improvement over FUE. And who knows what Dr Nigams comes up with. I'm still VERY skeptical towards this doctor but who knows ...

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                  • Desmond84
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 987

                    Originally posted by hellouser
                    Did Aderans announce a date for all their Phase II trial results? Do you have a source? They should already be done all their Phase II trials by now if not by the end of this month at the very latest.
                    ARI are more secretive than CIA tbh <sigh>

                    I'm just going by clinicaltrials.gov which states their last trial finishes sometimes in April 2013. Add 3 months to that for data collection and analysis and we should have a report available sometimes in july

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                    • Desmond84
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 987

                      Originally posted by Arashi
                      This is not true at all Desmond. We have Gho, which is a HUGE improvement over FUE. And who knows what Dr Nigams comes up with. I'm still VERY skeptical towards this doctor but who knows ...
                      True Arashi but hair transplants are not for the faint hearted! I myself am really scared of going through a procedure like that

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                      • Arashi
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 3888

                        Originally posted by Desmond84
                        True Arashi but hair transplants are not for the faint hearted! I myself am really scared of going through a procedure like that
                        I myself am way more scared of drugs like Propecia and minox, with known possible side effects that can even go as far as inducing suicidal tendencies, than hair transplants.

                        But anyway, let's hope we'll soon get good news from Histogen and Aderans, I for one am very hopeful !

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                        • hellouser
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2012
                          • 4419

                          Originally posted by Desmond84
                          ARI are more secretive than CIA tbh <sigh>

                          I'm just going by clinicaltrials.gov which states their last trial finishes sometimes in April 2013. Add 3 months to that for data collection and analysis and we should have a report available sometimes in july
                          Yeah, just like I said, April of this year, so either theyre done already or will be done in less than 3 weeks.

                          I'm hoping they get the green light to move to Phase III immediately after. Can't wait for the results though, I'm keeping my fingers tightly crossed.

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                          • hellouser
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 4419

                            Originally posted by Arashi
                            I myself am way more scared of drugs like Propecia and minox, with known possible side effects that can even go as far as inducing suicidal tendencies, than hair transplants.

                            But anyway, let's hope we'll soon get good news from Histogen and Aderans, I for one am very hopeful !
                            Uhm, I've never read a report where Minox has caused a side effect so bad as to induce suicidal thoughts. Propecia, yeah since it potentially can make you lose more than just your manhood from hair.

                            RU/CB is much better anyway.

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                            • hellouser
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 4419

                              Originally posted by Arashi
                              This is not true at all Desmond. We have Gho, which is a HUGE improvement over FUE. And who knows what Dr Nigams comes up with. I'm still VERY skeptical towards this doctor but who knows ...
                              It's too bad though, that all the while Gho has in the business, which is quite a while, that his HST is not the gold standard. Prices really need to drive down for it to improve the lives of many others.

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                              • Arashi
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 3888

                                Originally posted by hellouser
                                Uhm, I've never read a report where Minox has caused a side effect so bad as to induce suicidal thoughts. Propecia, yeah since it potentially can make you lose more than just your manhood from hair.

                                RU/CB is much better anyway.
                                Yep I was talking about Propecia, which causes suicidal thoughts in a subset of people who lose their manhood (which seems to happen to 1/3 of the users, according to the poll on HS). I'm NOT touching that stuff.

                                And am afraid of Minox as well, while it indeed seems to be saver than Propecia in terms of side effects, I'm not touching that either for several reasons.

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