Male Pattern Baldness Cured

[mothernature]

great posts top. will read these thorougly soon

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@Top - Ok - i'm one of the older guy's around here - just turned 42 - started losing my hair mid-late 20's, but - it's only hit home at the age of 38-39 that i'm heading for doom and it's becoming noticeable.

The process thankfully for me, has been very very slow, but - through my 20's and 30's i was wanking, shagging constantly - very often, and my hairloss was slooow, hardly noticeable.

Now i'm in my early 40's, seldom spank the monkey (can't be arsed) and have sex maybe one night every week and lately my hair loss has increased - it's falling faster than ever, how do you explain that?

Ok, i use Minox on my hairline - that may be inducing a hairline shed, but all over it's thinning on top.

So to me, in my 40's - i'm going through worse hairloss than ever, what you state doesn't add up regarding age?

According to this graph:


You're at your peak (around 40). Maybe things will get better . It's possible your diet has changed, you work out more (weightlifting), or are sedentry (allowing build up of fats), or stressed lately. Has your BMI changed much over the past 20 years? Also did you use any DHT-reducing treatments the past 20 years, or only very recently.

I'm also curious how is your hair loss? is it a like a frontal progression 'M' shape receding, or vertex progression (expanding from the crown). Or do you have some sort of full blown evaporation of your hair (i.e. uniform attack).

I can't explain for everyone as there are lots of factors involved. But the basics of what I've said is just combining what we all know with Testosterone=>DHT=>Hairloss, and how our testosterone varies based on age and lifestyle.

If I were in my early 40's and only then started balding I wouldn't really care. You're a lucky guy. Jean Luc Picard was repping the NW7 crew by the time he was 20.

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As an experiment Jcm80, since you don't have much to lose (unlike us poor young balding SOBs). Maybe you could do an experiment and watch a lot of porn, masturbate once in the morning and once at night, have some sex too. Then see if it has an effect on the rate of your hairloss.

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I just ignore some of the old posters now. They've been saying i'm the OP. The admin can testify this.

anyways, i've been abstaining from wanking for 7 days now. But I had s3x three times last weekend... Haven't seen any improvement in shedding yet. But I feel much more productive somehow. Will keep you guys updated.

Generally too much sex/masturbation/thinking about sex is counter-productive. I hate to sound like an ultra conservative prude. As I in fact love sex, and am an addict. But as great as sex is, it can have a negative impact on your productivity. The more you do it, the more you want to do it.

I think you won't notice any changes after just one week. This is something you'd have to commit to for at least 3 months before you'd notice anything. People don't go bald overnight.

[BaldingBackwards]

A post from the OP

Top,

I wanted to clarify what is happening at the top of your head that is allowing DHT to build-up in the follicle. Also I will tell you all why the man started balding at 40 worse then earlier years with decreased sexual activity and why these two things really go hand and hand. The key to DHT being able to bind to the dermal papilla and collect over time is decreased blood flow. This is why you do not experience male pattern baldness anywhere else on your body because the blood flow will simply not allow it. If you drop a leaf in a current it will flow away if you drop a leaf on a small stream that is barely moving it will get stuck. TOP, it is very important you understand the variety of one persons arteries in there head to the next which easily explains why balding patterns vary so much but all end the same way if they go all the way through the Norwood diagram. Equally important is to understand what happens to arteries as they get closer to the ends at the top of your head which are predetermined at birth, those arteries get smaller and smaller closer to the ends. Its also important to understand the benefits of increased blood flow for your hair a good example of this is the high number of athletes who have better heads of hair then not active couch potatoes. However, if DHT is slightly sticking to the dermal papilla and you just keep adding more blood flow simply can not keep up. I found one study that measured blood flow to the head and they found a huge reduction over the years as people age. This is why with normal circulating levels of DHT you will still experience MPB as you get older because your circulation simply can not keep up without something increasing it. For humans it's almost unavoidable for blood flow to decrease to the head without preventative measures. With life becoming physically easier and easier some people can manage not even to bend over to pick anything up for years added in with no physical exercise what do you think is going happen? You think your head which is sitting on the only body walking vertical on two feet directly above the heart will just pump harder as you get older against gravity with no physical exercise or anything to increase it? Just bend over for one second or get on all four like any animal you will see what gravity does to your blood flow.




ONCE AGAIN THIS IS THE OP SPEAKING ORIGINAL ACCOUNT STILL IS BLOCKED SO I AM FORCED TO POST ON THIS ACCOUNT. IF THE ADMIN COULD VARIFY THIS IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kamui85]

Top,

I wanted to clarify what is happening at the top of your head that is allowing DHT to build-up in the follicle. Also I will tell you all why the man started balding at 40 worse then earlier years with decreased sexual activity and why these two things really go hand and hand. The key to DHT being able to bind to the dermal papilla and collect over time is decreased blood flow. This is why you do not experience male pattern baldness anywhere else on your body because the blood flow will simply not allow it. If you drop a leaf in a current it will flow away if you drop a leaf on a small stream that is barely moving it will get stuck. TOP, it is very important you understand the variety of one persons arteries in there head to the next which easily explains why balding patterns vary so much but all end the same way if they go all the way through the Norwood diagram. Equally important is to understand what happens to arteries as they get closer to the ends at the top of your head which are predetermined at birth, those arteries get smaller and smaller closer to the ends. Its also important to understand the benefits of increased blood flow for your hair a good example of this is the high number of athletes who have better heads of hair then not active couch potatoes. However, if DHT is slightly sticking to the dermal papilla and you just keep adding more blood flow simply can not keep up. I found one study that measured blood flow to the head and they found a huge reduction over the years as people age. This is why with normal circulating levels of DHT you will still experience MPB as you get older because your circulation simply can not keep up without something increasing it. For humans it's almost unavoidable for blood flow to decrease to the head without preventative measures. With life becoming physically easier and easier some people can manage not even to bend over to pick anything up for years added in with no physical exercise what do you think is going happen? You think your head which is sitting on the only body walking vertical on two feet directly above the heart will just pump harder as you get older against gravity with no physical exercise or anything to increase it? Just bend over for one second or get on all four like any animal you will see what gravity does to your blood flow.




ONCE AGAIN THIS IS THE OP SPEAKING ORIGINAL ACCOUNT STILL IS BLOCKED SO I AM FORCED TO POST ON THIS ACCOUNT. IF THE ADMIN COULD VARIFY THIS IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well according to you’re theory I understand you won’t see results with only a week of abstention. But (in my case) going from ejaculating 2 to 4 times a day, 7 days a week, to say, only once a month (while improving blood circulation), would you say one could see improvement over 1 year or 3? Or does it have to be COMPLETE abstention? This is my 10th day abstaining, I have NEVER would of thought of absenting for so long, but I got to admit it is getting kind of easier as days go by, but at the same time I’m beginning to fear for nocturnal emissions…

[auglen]

As an experiment Jcm80, since you don't have much to lose (unlike us poor young balding SOBs). Maybe you could do an experiment and watch a lot of porn, masturbate once in the morning and once at night, have some sex too. Then see if it has an effect on the rate of your hairloss.

Love the idea haha.

@Kamui85 - nobody knows.
I'm still fighting with those nocturnal emissions after so many months. Few days ago I wrote a post saying I might finally make it for a month without one, but I guess it was premature. 2 days ago happened again (started recording them now). They do happen less often for a fact and I definitely have more "control".
But still nobody will tell you at what rate you could recover or if you will at all. Damn, it could even do nothing for maintaining.
Even if the theory is true then we are almost 100% positive that for many people it might not speed things up as much as for others.

There's too many extremes in this thread. Some deny any possibility while others go on to say that sexual activity is the ultimate factor in hair loss. I think it's important to have reasonable expectations, just don't want anybody to come back in 2 years and say that they wasted 2 years for nothing.

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@BaldingBackwards: I admit, there could be something in that (bloodflow reduction) resulting in older people balding. Perhaps that is why as we all age, regardless of MPB or not, our hair thins. Maybe it's a contributory factor...

For youngsters in their 20's. The frontal balding is always fascinating. As for some it's a gradual receding, with clear defined areas with virtually no hair, then rapidly increasing to full hair (1,2,3,4 in diagram). This is what I'd attribute to a gradual rise in DHT. Whereas for others there are large inroads on the two sides of the M, but which have say 50% hair. Then you have types which appear like their hair has fought two wars. The first war much earlier, taking out the temples to about 50% levels, then the second war far more violent, taking out a massive circular cut (reducing everything in the circular region by 50%. 2A, 3A,4A,5A in diagram).

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This is what I have. The frontal receding hairline. But what it appears like is instead of Captain DHT creeping up on my hairline, gradually pushing it back. It's more like the DHT is attacking a chunk on either side. Gradually reducing the hairs.



So I think it's something more sudden.

Interestingly around age 24 (5 years ago). I was about 9 1/2 stone. I started developing more facial hair. Gradually over the past 5 years, I've found it increasingly easier to build muscle mass. Everything has become more manly. My only conclusion is that my testosterone has been rising. Now I'm about 11 1/2 stone.

No doubt the testosterone is what's driving hair loss.

Sex & Testosterone

As for the sex & testosterone relationship. I'd say it's like this...

As we're ageing we're getting more testosterone (until reaching the peak around 30-40, and then falling after that). This is a continuous 24/7 testosterone output. Whereas if we watch porn for 15 minutes, our testosterone levels will rise 100% (say go from 20nmol/L to 40nmol/L), but this is short lived. It'll fall back down to normal levels after perhaps an hour (probably quicker if you ejaculate, and then lose interest, as opposed to having the horniness on your mind). 1 Hour of a heightened testosterone level due to sexual arousal is the equivalent of your average testosterone level being 1nmol/L higher than normal.

Taking a look at the scale below, we can see that it'd take about 2 hours per day of heightened sexual arousal to effectively push a 25-34 year old 5 years forward to around that of a 30-40 year old respectively.



2 hours per day of heightened sexual arousal. Doesn't mean going for marathon sex until you're sore. This could translate as maybe a 15 minutes masturbation session in the morning, looking at porn/day dreaming/seeing seductive advertisement during the day, and having sex with your partner at night (which at least for my girlfriend means I have to give at least 15 mins foreplay before having sex). Each event would take time perhaps 30 mins to subside to normal levels.

Further, Sex Addiction occurring, when the testes is producing more testosterone to cater to your body's sexual requirements, just like any other part of the body becomes stronger when 'trained'. The result of this is that you're thinking about sex during the day, finding that sex or sexual thoughts are taking priority over other practical tasks.

For someone that doesn't think about sex much, or has very short sexual encounters that are not particularly arousing, it is unlikely that it will contribute much to MPB. It's for the chronic masturbators, those suffering from sex addiction, the marathon men. This is where it's going to make a difference.

Quite simply regardless of the mechanism of how hair follicles miniaturise, or the patterns. If your testosterone is near the threshold. Then you can either wait 5 years for your testosterone levels to naturally rise above the threshold and experience balding. Or you can raise your testosterone levels by thinking about sex a lot, masturbating, and having frequent, fairly long sex sessions.

Masturbating 2-3 times a week is not going to make much of a difference. But if you're thinking about sex a lot, and trying to refrain from masturbation, then you'll have a problem. You need to monitor how your brain feels. If you feel horny, then your testosterone will rise as your brain tells your testes "Quick start producing more testosterone, I'm horny and there's a good chance I'm going to have sex".

[Jcm800]

According to this graph:


You're at your peak (around 40). Maybe things will get better . It's possible your diet has changed, you work out more (weightlifting), or are sedentry (allowing build up of fats), or stressed lately. Has your BMI changed much over the past 20 years? Also did you use any DHT-reducing treatments the past 20 years, or only very recently.

I'm also curious how is your hair loss? is it a like a frontal progression 'M' shape receding, or vertex progression (expanding from the crown). Or do you have some sort of full blown evaporation of your hair (i.e. uniform attack).

I can't explain for everyone as there are lots of factors involved. But the basics of what I've said is just combining what we all know with Testosterone=>DHT=>Hairloss, and how our testosterone varies based on age and lifestyle.

If I were in my early 40's and only then started balding I wouldn't really care. You're a lucky guy. Jean Luc Picard was repping the NW7 crew by the time he was 20.

Guess I'm more frontal 'M' with slightly thinning crown at present.

I used to work out like crazy up to my mid 20's, am still slim and not a lard arse. Don't use Fin, never have or will-only Minox and bloody TRX2 supplement, funnily enough that's doing sod all and hair has been worse since on it.

Anyway, even in my 40's losing hair concerns me, it must be a bitch losing it earlier and I appreciate that, but hey - no one wants to join Jean Luc whatever age..

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btw: Testosterone levels in the morning are about 30% higher than the rest of the day. Which is why we get morning wood.

You may be able to lower this by doing a math quiz, sudoku puzzle, or something else mentally distracting for up to 5 mins.

Another option which may work is surgically removing one testicle.

note: There's actually a topic on one of the other hair loss forums regarding one testicle (i googled: one testicle hair loss)

[RichardDawkins]

Stop wanking and do Sudokus and we are cured. Good dammit this is getting ridiculous more and more.

[Bald26]

Stop wanking and do Sudokus and we are cured. Good dammit this is getting ridiculous more and more.

I gotta admit, the fact that you keep whining about how bullshit this is but keep coming back to read is quite funny especially after you falsely accused many of us to be the same person as the OP.

[Bald26]

YOU CALLED THIS A HAIRLOSS??? I'll die to have your hair lines you SOB.

[BackwardsBalding]

I am so glad to see all the thought on this, really exciting to see!!!!!

btw: Testosterone levels in the morning are about 30% higher than the rest of the day. Which is why we get morning wood.

You may be able to lower this by doing a math quiz, sudoku puzzle, or something else mentally distracting for up to 5 mins.

Another option which may work is surgically removing one testicle.

note: There's actually a topic on one of the other hair loss forums regarding one testicle (i googled: one testicle hair loss)

To the gentlemen who asked about reducing the frequency over years. I say yes this will have an impact and I don't believe total abstinence would be needed.

@ top regarding the quote above, as far as I know you have a morning erection from the pressure a full bladder puts on your sex organs. I have never heard anything saying testosterone levels affect morning erections. To everybody else. I am glad this thread has advanced past the initial non-contributing doubters and I want to re assure all the readers that I am testing all these facts and will come to very strong conclusion on what it takes to control hair loss and hair regrowth products. I also have found something new and exciting that I will not share until I fully test it but if I am right there and it could be a pain free, surgery free, easy way to grow your hair back and it wont cost much at all to make and distribute. If I am right I will give all you the heads up. I don't have any money or power to conduct extensive research but I do have the brain power to consider all possibilities and I am doing so in an effort to help the hair loss community. Good luck every one keep posting.

I am ResearchNeverFails the OP I had to switch my name because my account is blocked.