Propecia erectile dysfunction effect is real folks

[scarman]

why would you take a medicine that forces you to take another medicine (cialis) to get an erection? finasteride is an androgen antagonist, period. being on androgen antagonism means you become partially androgen resistant. jamie lee curtis has androgen resistance. thats right. she has a Y chromosome but is androgen resistant. so she looks like a woman...she has really pronounced gynecomastia, and she has ALL her hair, and no penis. she is even married to a man. people who take this medicine are basically a modified version, very mild version of jamie lee curtis.

hair loss is NORMAL. by age 30, 30% of men have hair loss. by 50, its 50%. its not like having cancer or having your penis fall off. what people really should be focusing on is getting used to this concept that it is NORMAL and stop messing with your own hormones and turning yourself into women to avoid hairloss.

False , in fact finasteride will increase your testosterone levels . Finasteride only blocks the convertion on one androgen ( testosterone ) to another androgen ( DHT ) .
Besides , i started to lose hair at 17 ? 10 % does, so does it normal ? the dead is normal , so we should died right now ?
Tell that Finasteride is an androgen antagonist just reflex your ignorance .

[scarman]

Who’s claiming that AIS is not a real disorder?

and Who's claiming that be an ignorant is not a real disorder ?

[brentipold]

TOTALLY WRONG! Yes Fin does block T from becoming DHT, but in turn that extra T is converted to estrogen, which in fact will raise your E levels to high which is where you get side effects from. You know nothing, so please stop contributing on this thread when you in fact do not know anything about the drug. sorry to burst your bubble but you are very wrong.

[norc]

I actually think it looks like some herbal companies are trying to dissuade people from helping themselves with medication that actually works. I’ve been on Propecia since about 1998 and I have never suffered with any sexual side effects. I have been able to keep my hair for many years and feel very lucky that I started taking it early. Several of my friends take it too and not one has complained of side effects.
You can read my story here.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=435

do you think people at propeciahelp.com discouraging people for FIN are reliable?

[brentipold]

do you think people at propeciahelp.com discouraging people for FIN are reliable?

I'm one of them, and were legit.

[ohlife]

TOTALLY WRONG! Yes Fin does block T from becoming DHT, but in turn that extra T is converted to estrogen, which in fact will raise your E levels to high which is where you get side effects from. You know nothing, so please stop contributing on this thread when you in fact do not know anything about the drug. sorry to burst your bubble but you are very wrong.

This is what happened to me, for sure. However, I guess how much T is converted to E is another matter, as is how it effects different people. It is definitely a threat though. I just don't understand how people can say that propecia isn't a dangerous drug - you ARE running a risk.. whether or not you're ok with that is another thing. Also, the risk is more than 2% .. more like at least 20-25.

[brentipold]

This is what happened to me, for sure. However, I guess how much T is converted to E is another matter, as is how it effects different people. It is definitely a threat though. I just don't understand how people can say that propecia isn't a dangerous drug - you ARE running a risk.. whether or not you're ok with that is another thing. Also, the risk is more than 2% .. more like at least 20-25.

I would agree that its in that 20-25% range. All the hair loss forums i'm a part of, i see at least 1/3 of those ppl get side effects from the drug. If it were the 2%, you'd rarely see a case of it. These pharm CO's inflate their testing results so much. The 2% should be for the those that who get sides, and they dont go away.

[gmonasco]

All the hair loss forums i'm a part of, i see at least 1/3 of those ppl get side effects from the drug. If it were the 2%, you'd rarely see a case of it.

That's not valid reasoning, because:

a) The sample is self-selecting. People are far more likely to post about experiencing side effects than they are to post that they aren't experiencing any side effects.

b) Sexual dysfunction (the most commonly reported side effect) has a huge psychological/psychosomatic aspect to it, so one cannot validly assume that propecia users who report experiencing it are actually being physically affected by the drug in that regard.

[Thinning@30]

I've stated this in other threads, but personally, I think that Propecia's sexual side effects are underreported for the following reasons:

1. Most Propecia users are men who are taking it for prostate problems rather than MPB. These men tend to be older, in many cases past their sexual primes, so they are probably less likely to notice a decrease in sexual performance. If they do, they may falsey attribute it to general ageing, or to whatever other medications/medical problems they have rather than the Propecia. Older men who are using Propecia for MPB may do the same.

2. Sexual dysfunction is a very emotional subject. My guess is that most men are loathe to admit to any decline in performance, even to themselves. Furthermore, it is an extremely awkward thing to discuss, even in a confidential, clinical setting when it is being done for the good of science.

[brentipold]

People who say that its all in their head are just kidding themselves. When I had my libido, there was nothing stopping me from having or wanting sex. If someone said if you drink milk you'll get sexual side effects, it wouldnt have any affect on me neither. The whole aspect of "its all in your head" is just ridiculous and those who don't experience the side effects cant speak to any of this because they arent affected by it.

[norc]

That's not valid reasoning, because:

a) The sample is self-selecting. People are far more likely to post about experiencing side effects than they are to post that they aren't experiencing any side effects.

b) Sexual dysfunction (the most commonly reported side effect) has a huge psychological/psychosomatic aspect to it, so one cannot validly assume that propecia users who report experiencing it are actually being physically affected by the drug in that regard.

I certainly agree with this. Reports on side effects are somewhat subjective. Is there a way to measure this objectively?

[brentipold]

There also tons of people waiting in the dark because they are embarrassed about the problem. its not as subjective as you may think.

[kal-el1975]

Short story on me. Started thinning at 24. Got on Propecia 1mg daily and been on it for 11 yrs. Had great results at around the 1 1/2 year mark as all thinning went away. Stayed pretty much about the same until about year ago when thinning started back up slowly.

Sides included definite decrease in libido which eventually went away after a few months of starting. Also less firm erections in my opinion. Even as recently as a few months ago when I stopped taking it for a month they got better it seemed. So gives me hope that if I do stop taking it any potential effects should go.

No major sides but it does do something to you even if you tolerate it well.

[Notbaldyet]

crap. its real. i can't believe i took this shit.

J Sex Med. 2010 Dec 22. doi: 10.1111/j.1743-6109.2010.02157.x. [Epub ahead of print]
Adverse Side Effects of 5α-Reductase Inhibitors Therapy: Persistent Diminished Libido and Erectile Dysfunction and Depression in a Subset of Patients.
Traish AM, Hassani J, Guay AT, Zitzmann M, Hansen ML.

Departments of Biochemistry and of Urology, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, USA Center for Sexual Function/Endocrinology Lahey Clinic, Northshore, Peabody, MA, USA Centre for Reproductive Medicine and Andrology/Clinical Andrology Domagkstrasse 11 University Clinics Muenster, Germany Department of OB/GYN, Stavanger University Hospital, Stavanger, Norway.
Abstract
Introduction.  5α-reductase inhibitors (5α-RIs), finasteride and dutasteride, have been approved for treatment of lower urinary tract symptoms, due to benign prostatic hyperplasia, with marked clinical efficacy. Finasteride is also approved for treatment of hair loss (androgenetic alopecia). Although the adverse side effects of these agents are thought to be minimal, the magnitude of adverse effects on sexual function, gynecomastia, depression, and quality of life remains ill-defined. Aim.  The goal of this review is to discuss 5α-RIs therapy, the potential persistent side effects, and the possible mechanisms responsible for these undesirable effects. Methods.  We examined data reported in various clinical studies from the available literature concerning the side effects of finasteride and dutasteride. Main Outcome Measures.  Data reported in the literature were reviewed and discussed. Results.  Prolonged adverse effects on sexual function such as erectile dysfunction and diminished libido are reported by a subset of men, raising the possibility of a causal relationship. Conclusions.  We suggest discussion with patients on the potential sexual side effects of 5α-RIs before commencing therapy. Alternative therapies may be considered in the discussion, especially when treating androgenetic alopecia. Traish AM, Hassani J, Guay AT, Zitzmann M, and Hansen M. Adverse side effects of 5α-reductase inhibitors therapy: Persistent diminished libido and erectile dysfunction and depression in a subset of patients. J Sex Med **;**:**-**.

© 2010 International Society for Sexual Medicine.

[gmonasco]

There also tons of people waiting in the dark because they are embarrassed about the problem. its not as subjective as you may think.

You apparently don't understand the meaning of "subjective."