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[sleeme]

So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

[bornthisway]

I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

Being a lot older (30s) I don't consider myself a responder given how much my hair recessed on dutasteride and loss is rather aggressive (losing hair 13+ years). I'm just not sure if I should start on 30% cream with all additives or the 12.5% cream. I'd like to gain ground faster/sooner and the higher percentage seems like if minoxidil will do anything it probably will. K9 mentioned he's older as well and I believe 30% was a game changer for him. I think my situation would be closer to his probably.

I'm considering getting the S5 Cream Plus because of the tempol. It may be an aggressive way to attack this. Also includes alfatradiol and spiro.

[funkville]

Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

A lot of the points you bring up I can not respond to but on Retinoic acid I can confirm as I use it everyday on my face (Retin-a) it doesn't eat away at your skin. I also used it with Susan's formula of dr klein and my skin was fine. Your skin peels which is normal. The amount in the topical is soooo small compared to what I use on my face. With my face I use a pea size and I must wear sun block during the day.

[funkville]

I didn't really have a response to 5%. Was that your first time using minoxidil and you responded really well?

I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

[sleeme]

Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

[bornthisway]

the lotion is not very runny it is like baby lotion in texture. when jazz first helped me i started with 7.5% and my hair grew like crazy. im ging back to 7.5% with progesterone and azelaic acid. fin gives me sides i dont need retin-a as i use it every evening. k9 and jazz have been using susan for a long time so they are best to advise.

She is ill at the moment and back on tuesday so give her a call and ask for her advise.

I didn't really have a response to 5%. Was that your first time using minoxidil and you responded really well?

[funkville]

the lotion is not very runny it is like baby lotion in texture. when jazz first helped me i started with 7.5% and my hair grew like crazy. im ging back to 7.5% with progesterone and azelaic acid. fin gives me sides i dont need retin-a as i use it every evening. k9 and jazz have been using susan for a long time so they are best to advise.

She is ill at the moment and back on tuesday so give her a call and ask for her advise.

[bornthisway]

Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

How has your hair changed with the 30% pea sized? Do you all think the cream is just as effective carrier? I think creams are easier to apply generally and less messy (no run off). I have only used up to 5% before and my hair is thin. I'm wondering since I've lost a lot of ground if I really should start at 12.5% or 30%. With using a pea sized amount of cream are the sides still just as likely (I'd guess sides are dependent on how well it's absorbed)? What's the cost for 12 5%? Given every additive has a proven track record, it seems like a good idea to include each as you'd target hair loss from a lot of angles. I'd guess the ingredients are complimentary and synergistic since they can be combined.

[k9gatton]

I sort of get what you're saying.. the pea sized amount isn't enough to address all balding areas so you supplement with 5%. I guess you want the pea sized on the hardest hit area then.

Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

[funkville]

you have a choice of using liquid or cream. i know that from 5-15 percent you can choose liquid or cream. in liquid 6 pumps is 1ml.

[bornthisway]

I sort of get what you're saying.. the pea sized amount isn't enough to address all balding areas so you supplement with 5%. I guess you want the pea sized on the hardest hit area then.

[bornthisway]

It does lower my blood pressure if I use more than the prescribed amount, which I do a lot. The prescribed amount is a gram, or pea sized amount over the bald area, once daily.


Sometimes I use it twice.


One time I used ten grams at once, and my ankle swelled up. The prescribed amount is one gram. It's a cream, you have to
eye ball it. But the script says "pea sized amount" which ~ one gram.


You will still have to supplement with regular, if you want the "temporary" effects of Minoxidil, which can last up to years.


Minoxidil has to hit the scalp for it to work. And it can't really be done with less volume.

Based on the prescription instructions I guess the pea sized amount is meant to be sufficient for the entire scalp? Have you tried using a pea sized amount and rubbing it in your crown area and spreading it out as much as you can and seeing if it was just as effective? What concentration are you using, if 30% do you notice a difference from where you used 15%? I remember old posts claiming liquid were superior to cream but I don't really remember and specifics or know how valid that is. I know for the liquid they wanted it touching all parts of the scalp ideally... That's not feasible with cream it seems given the small quantity you are allowed to use, but maybe you don't have to based on how well it's absorbed?

[k9gatton]

So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.

It does lower my blood pressure if I use more than the prescribed amount, which I do a lot. The prescribed amount is a gram, or pea sized amount over the bald area, once daily.


Sometimes I use it twice.


One time I used ten grams at once, and my ankle swelled up. The prescribed amount is one gram. It's a cream, you have to
eye ball it. But the script says "pea sized amount" which ~ one gram.


You will still have to supplement with regular, if you want the "temporary" effects of Minoxidil, which can last up to years.


Minoxidil has to hit the scalp for it to work. And it can't really be done with less volume.

[bornthisway]

What about starting at 30% to jump start things and tapering down to 15% the following month and then soon after sticking at 5% for maintenance? Or would you reduce hair yield by reducing the dosage?

[bornthisway]

So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.