Dr Klein promox patients! Read if you need help.

[cardib]

My point is I haven't seen anyone else claim success (backed up with evidence) from this compounded lotion except you. Even on other forums I have encountered a handful of people that claim these lotions did nothing for them and they dropped them.

There is actually more photographic proof of people getting results from belgravia 12.5% minox.

My main point is these products are extremely expensive. If a young college age student is getting persuaded by your posts and buys this lotion they have a lot on the line to lose financially compared to investing in the standard big 3.

the only ppl who have had success with susans lotion from murray ave are kgatton, and jazz, and their hairloss is not that bad. we all wish we had the set of hair they did. so i dont even think its a realistic claim.

I have not heard or seen anyone else with success. i myself used everything from the 12.5% all the way up to 30% from susan for over a year with no results, so i stopped wasting my money on it. when i emailed her(Susan the companys owner) to ask what can i do since ive tried all the products she sells, she never got back to me. now what does a woman with a full head of hair know about hairloss. i dont care if shes a pharmacist, shes not MD or PHD. She simply saw the opportunity that opened up when Dr Klein passed away to sell high strenght minox, and imo exploits hair loss sufferers like ourselves who think that a higher strength minoxidil is what he need to start responding to min again.

So for future forum members considering buying her products, know that it is really just a bust. only 2 ppl have seen results from it even though scores of ppl have used it including myself. higher strenght minox doesnt work and will lead to health side effects, some internal that are not seeing on the outside.

and all the additives to her formula, the progesterone, the AA, the retin A dont do jack shit either. just because theres a study saying it helped with hairloss on mice or some human hair follicles in a petri dish in a study in 2002 doesnt mean it works on a real human in real life. and dont even get me started on the topical fin she puts in the formula. topical fin doesnt do shit for the scalp.

STOP wasting money on Murray avenue products.

[cardib]

the only ppl who have had success with susans lotion from murray ave are kgatton, and jazz, and their hairloss is not that bad. we all wish we had the set of hair they did. so i dont even think its a realistic claim.

I have not heard or seen anyone else with success. i myself used everything from the 12.5% all the way up to 30% from susan for over a year with no results, so i stopped wasting my money on it. when i emailed her(Susan the companys owner) to ask what can i do since ive tried all the products she sells, she never got back to me. now what does a woman with a full head of hair know about hairloss. i dont care if shes a pharmacist, shes not MD or PHD. She simply saw the opportunity that opened up when Dr Klein passed away to sell high strenght minox, and imo exploits hair loss sufferers like ourselves who think that a higher strength minoxidil is what he need to start responding to min again.

So for future forum members considering buying her products, know that it is really just a bust. only 2 ppl have seen results from it even though scores of ppl have used it including myself. higher strenght minox doesnt work and will lead to health side effects, some internal that are not seeing on the outside.

and all the additives to her formula, the progesterone, the AA, the retin A dont do jack shit either. just because theres a study saying it helped with hairloss on mice or some human hair follicles in a petri dish in a study in 2002 doesnt mean it works on a real human in real life. and dont even get me started on the topical fin she puts in the formula. topical fin doesnt do shit for the scalp.

STOP wasting money on Murray avenue products.

[k9gatton]

Hey how is the progesterone lotion bottles, does it leave your hair greasy or dry quick? I might add them on my next order.

On the vertex the Progesterone is helping.

On the temples, not as much. There is some terminal hairs, but it's not enough
density to lower my Norwood level.

Currently my hair isn't greasy. It's really only .25%. I'm going to try to get my .5%
up to 1% (it took me a long time to get them to give me higher dosages).

[JohnMPB]

My point is I haven't seen anyone else claim success (backed up with evidence) from this compounded lotion except you. Even on other forums I have encountered a handful of people that claim these lotions did nothing for them and they dropped them.

There is actually more photographic proof of people getting results from belgravia 12.5% minox.

My main point is these products are extremely expensive. If a young college age student is getting persuaded by your posts and buys this lotion they have a lot on the line to lose financially compared to investing in the standard big 3.

[JohnMPB]

Jazz

You claim you know a bunch of people including family members that use this product successfully. You said for months you would post pics of your family and friends success yet we are still waiting to see one pic of anyone having success with these lotions besides just you.

I just don't get it...

[bornthisway]

Btw guys what's the price of 12.5%? I'm still debating whether I'll start low or high.

[bornthisway]

I highly do not suggest 30% unless you have not tried 15%, all depends what you currently use? I combine my 15% mixture with my 5% regaine foam. The price to add all additives remains the same, if you check the previous threads I posted I explained the set prices I done for us forum guys, she also gives 10% discount if you purchase 3 bottles in one go. Also to add only 1ml is required per day, no more! 3 bottles will last 6 months, mine last slightly more as I use 4 squirts to save more money.

I just am on dut. If it's just a pea sized amount at 30% of minox cream, shouldn't the side effect profile be similar to that of 15% cream? I have used up to 5% long ago. The idea of 30% was mostly to target it somewhat aggressively but safely.

[funkville]

i can't send or receive messages on my account. Does anyone know why? I sent a message to the webmaster but no response.

I'm not sure also. I was trying to pm doke but there is not option other than aol messages which both needs to have

[sleeme]

Where do you buy RU58841 or CB-03-01 and what is SS cream? Where do these products come from and what country? I mean are these products safe to use. I am new to all this hair loss stiff and find it all so confusing. I have read so much I don't know what to believe. I have been to several doctors and each one tells me different. I know Propecia is the best defense but I took it for 18 months and my bloodbwork was so sky high that it concerns me to continue for now. That's why I wanted to know of other good treatments to save what I have from propecia and or maybe consider the topical porpecia that is from a compounding pharmacy. Any advice form you guys. I am getting stressed over all this and rally confused.

[sleeme]

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[sleeme]

Jazz1,

Hope you don't mind another question but when you were using topical Finasteride was that the only treatment you were using? And did it stop your hair loss? If the topical stops side effects then how can it cause hormone levels to be the same as oral? I also saw a You Tube video they said to start with 0.05% topical Finasterdie.

[sleeme]

Hey just to add even topical finesteride will absorb into your blood stream, just less side effect compared to oral use. Tretinoin AKA retinoids will not eat your skin away, they just remove a thin layer. The percentage used won't cause long term side effects, I have been using it since Dr Klein days, over 3 years now. The good part about using tretinoin it helps counter the skin thinning side effects from Hydocortisone.

Personally Finetseride is your main bullet to saving hair, as mentioned before finesteride is a DHT inhibitor whilst the rest are Anti Angrogen/Growth.

I know Finesteride is the best defense from hair loss but do you think the topical will help work as well? I was told since I am 27 to start with 0.025% topical Finesteride. I have been off Propecia now for 6 weeks with no hair loss yet but I am getting concerned. Do you think I should use any of these products instead or both the minoxidil and topical Finesteride? I also was told to take Propecia in micro doses. HELP! I need advice on what to do or take. Thanks!
Here are the ingredients from the wellness center. I was thinking starting with topical finesteride with no additives or a few of these ingredients like Minoxidil 5%, Azelaic Acid, Tretinoin and maybe the progesterone. I appreciate any help on where to start to keep my hair I have from Propecia using of the last 18 months.

Minoxidil 5% - 30%
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

[k9gatton]

so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.

That's exactly right. To give you the short answer, marketing for Merk is
the reason it's oral.


In the US, Propecia (1 mg Fin) came out in 1997. At the time, their biggest
competitor was Rogaine (script only).


So to make it look easier for men to use, it was once a day pill versus
twice a day topical Minoxidil.

[sleeme]

so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.

[k9gatton]

So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

.1% Finasteride * 1 gram topical = 1 milligram oral Finasteride. They are equal.

topical Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~76% (average).
oral Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~70% (average).

They probably also have the same side effects for PFS, although there's not a lot
of study on that.

Personally I would not recommend supplementing with Tretinoin acid. My scalp
seemed to lose hair when I added it into the mix. (For people who don't know, I
take Minoxidil, Finasteride, Hydrocortisone, and Progesterone in the same
topical solution).

My own personal experience - The Tretinoin burned my scalp.

If anybody doesn't believe me, I will be more than happy to provide photographic evidence.

Also Azelaic Acid is questionable. I really don't take it, so I don't know very much about it.