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  • garethbale
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 605

    Originally posted by 534623
    cow-licking and cat piss included?
    Do you have the mental capacity of an eight-year-old or something?

    Seriously, get help...

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    • hellouser
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 4423

      Originally posted by BoSox
      Do you guys think 2014 is still accurate for Aderans? If so, do you think they will be able to provide unlimited donor hair regardless of how many injections or follow ups?

      I hope we'll have a good update this year.

      I've been pounding this projected date on the forum for months now and yet nearly everyone else is hellbent on saying Aderans will be out in 2015, 2016... etc.

      I'm *hopeful* that 2014 Q1 will be the actual release date but we won't know for sure until their next PR release. I actually don't know when that is, maybe you can shed some light? Hopefully no later than end of summer. But again, to put things into perspective;

      Their Phase II trials are ending from now until end of march (possibly early April). Phase III trials are supposed to take 1 year and then they will decide which route to take since they have multiple methods of their procedure. Realistically they won't have a product the day after their last Phase III trial so it should be expected that there will be a waiting period... and THIS is the part that worries me; how long will the FDA stall Aderans after they've completed all their trials before we can sit down in the operating room and have the procedure done?

      I've address this before in another thread but I'll copy/paste my initiative here. In order to speed up the process and get the product out the door we need to:

      Get in touch with local, provincial/state tv news, radio, local and national newspapers, bloggers (yes, even them), get spencer to spread the word through his own connections, run campaigns via facebook, twitter, setup a website and keep it active, create videos sharing life struggles, depression, anxiety, stress, etc..... tell a story people can connect with, reach out to politicians who have other connections, organize an actually outdoor rally RIGHT IN FRONT of the FDA's head office, leave handouts, get physical signed petitions (e-petitions are worthless)... etc. etc. etc.

      Its not a 'one route' rally.... you basically have to cover all areas and gain the media's attention and for them to spread the publicity. If its done right, it could go national or even international. Think of how many stupid internet campaigns exist... like the kids who asked for 1million votes to get a PS3 or something.

      I work in graphic design, marketing and web development, I'm basically the go-to guy for anything creative at my current job, which is why I also know photography quite well as I've explained before the difficulties in getting consistent photographs from Aderans/Histogen showing their results. I'm more than willing to get the ball rolling on an awareness campaign and get the FDA to give Aderans the green light soon after Phase III next year but ONLY if there are others who are willing to put in the time doing this.

      Basically we'd need to start off with a name, logo and mission statement. Then gather information, content, video etc. Make a website, put everything together. Then make facebook & twitter accounts to tap into social media. Then you need to make the right phone calls to the right people. I rallied 2 years alongside Jack Layton but it was only possible when me and my friends made enough phone calls and got on the news that he noticed us. Its not hard work, its just tedious stuff that requires a lot of strategy and planning.

      If anyone wants to go through with this, lets start a new thread and see what we can do as a community and get our hair back ON TIME from Aderans without the FDA screwing us over.

      This post basically got ignored in the other thread but I am 100% committed to this and helping myself and everyone else in the process. I want my hair back just as anyone else here and am willing to fight for it.

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      • garethbale
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 605

        Originally posted by BoSox
        Do you guys think 2014 is still accurate for Aderans? If so, do you think they will be able to provide unlimited donor hair regardless of how many injections or follow ups?

        I hope we'll have a good update this year.
        I have to say, if 2014 was the year that their product was to be released (assuming it worked well) I would be ecstatic. However I just feel too much needs to happen between now and then.

        I believe they need to conduct phase 3 trials, then seek regulatory approval. Hopefully they have been looking for FDA approval and have kept the FDA up to speed with developments, so this part may already be in motion. Then logistically, there is still a lot to do - training clinicians of the administration of the product, logistics of setting up centres etc. People think the fact that their product will be administered by Bosley is a bad thing, however I would disagree. I think its good that they have a big name seemingly ready and willing to streamline the product, rather than having to enter negotiations with various companies.

        Regarding release date however, I think later than 2014. I would love to be proved wrong, but I believe 2014 is far too optimistic.

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        • hellouser
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 4423

          Originally posted by garethbale
          I have to say, if 2014 was the year that their product was to be released (assuming it worked well) I would be ecstatic. However I just feel too much needs to happen between now and then.

          I believe they need to conduct phase 3 trials, then seek regulatory approval. Hopefully they have been looking for FDA approval and have kept the FDA up to speed with developments, so this part may already be in motion. Then logistically, there is still a lot to do - training clinicians of the administration of the product, logistics of setting up centres etc. People think the fact that their product will be administered by Bosley is a bad thing, however I would disagree. I think its good that they have a big name seemingly ready and willing to streamline the product, rather than having to enter negotiations with various companies.

          Regarding release date however, I think later than 2014. I would love to be proved wrong, but I believe 2014 is far too optimistic.
          I hope they are getting prepared right NOW, as they should be since essentially they have 12-14 months to get ready with training, equipment, testing, marketing, sales, website, hiring, etc. Thats a herculean task but 12 months should be enough time. They've invested hundreds of millions of dollars so you can bank on it that they will want to make a return as soon as possible. Its MONEY thats going to drive them more to success than our bleeding hearts. That I am happy about since society is full of greedy pigs... kudos to them, I've already got cash ready to be spent on their product.

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          • garethbale
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 605

            Originally posted by hellouser
            I hope they are getting prepared right NOW, as they should be since essentially they have 12-14 months to get ready with training, equipment, testing, marketing, sales, website, hiring, etc. Thats a herculean task but 12 months should be enough time. They've invested hundreds of millions of dollars so you can bank on it that they will want to make a return as soon as possible. Its MONEY thats going to drive them more to success than our bleeding hearts. That I am happy about since society is full of greedy pigs... kudos to them, I've already got cash ready to be spent on their product.
            I think spending money on training, marketing, equipment etc is too risky now. It would be foolish for any company to invest in these areas before they know when (or heaven forbid, if) a product will be released. As soon as they know that they have something ready to hit the market the spending on those areas will commence.

            I agree though, that they have spent millions on this. I can't see them not wanting to reach the finishing line now. I don't care if they are greedy or money motivated. I am perfectly happy to part with my hard earned cash provided their treatment will work.

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            • hellouser
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 4423

              Originally posted by garethbale
              I think spending money on training, marketing, equipment etc is too risky now. It would be foolish for any company to invest in these areas before they know when (or heaven forbid, if) a product will be released. As soon as they know that they have something ready to hit the market the spending on those areas will commence.

              I agree though, that they have spent millions on this. I can't see them not wanting to reach the finishing line now. I don't care if they are greedy or money motivated. I am perfectly happy to part with my hard earned cash provided their treatment will work.
              They probably already know how well their treatment works and will have a better idea once Phase III trials are done now. I can't see them getting prepared at the last minute though. If theyre serious about the 2014 date, they'll need to get their organization ready now for a release. If they start doing all the necessary work next year, that 2014 date is not going to happen.... at least thats how I see it. Well, maybe late 2014.

              I wonder if they'll have something like a 'pre-order' where we can sign up for the procedure in advance and have a secured spot.

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              • 534623
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1865

                Originally posted by garethbale

                I agree though, that they have spent millions on this. I can't see them not wanting to reach the finishing line now. I don't care if they are greedy or money motivated. I am perfectly happy to part with my hard earned cash provided their treatment will work.
                The good news I predict - you can keep your hard earned cash also in future!!

                As you can see, I'm always optimistic - even for others.

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                • Conpecia
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 911

                  2014 will probably be too soon. If they have to go through Phase III, then deal with the FDA, 2015 seems like the absolute earliest. I'd love to think this product will be available in just a little over a year, but it just doesn't seem likely.

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                  • StinkySmurf
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 125

                    I'm convinced there will be another trial in April, and it may only be six months, but that doesn't mean it will be a Phase 3 trial, and even if someone mentioned Phase 3 to me in passing, I wouldn't put too much weight on it because outside of Aderans, I don't think the people who work on these trials are necessarily aware of what Phase the trial they're working on is in.

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                    • BoSox
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 708

                      Thank you all for the responses. Now that I have an idea of a release date..

                      Should i be concerned about my current state of MBP ( NW 2.5 )? Considering it will slowly get worse in the next 3-5 years while I stall it with Fin? Do you guys think Aderans will be a solution for us regardless of what state hair loss we are?

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                      • hellouser
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 4423

                        Originally posted by BoSox
                        Thank you all for the responses. Now that I have an idea of a release date..

                        Should i be concerned about my current state of MBP ( NW 2.5 )? Considering it will slowly get worse in the next 3-5 years while I stall it with Fin? Do you guys think Aderans will be a solution for us regardless of what state hair loss we are?
                        I'm in the same position as you are dude. My hair line has crept back some, but my widows peaks are so far back to make it a NW3 although its definitely at least an NW2. I've got diffuse thinning going on as well.

                        I'm just as hopeful as you are but I'm planning on fighting hairloss for the next 2 years with RU, Minox, Saw Palmetto, Nizoral and getting HST from Dr. Gho for my hairline/temples and to thicken up the rest with remaining grafts.

                        Lets keep our fingers crossed

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                        • garethbale
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 605

                          Originally posted by 534623
                          The good news I predict - you can keep your hard earned cash also in future!!

                          As you can see, I'm always optimistic - even for others.
                          go away you annoying little prick

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                          • UK_
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 2744

                            Originally posted by garethbale
                            go away you annoying little prick
                            Lol well said.

                            I dont know why he's worried about curing hair loss - he's probably an ugly prick with/without hair.

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                            • StinkySmurf
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 125

                              So here is the question I wanna know. Lets say this is not Phase 3.

                              Why would Aderans switch to a six month trial if it's just gonna be another Phase 2 trial?

                              Why change now?

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                              • hellouser
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2012
                                • 4423

                                Originally posted by StinkySmurf
                                So here is the question I wanna know. Lets say this is not Phase 3.

                                Why would Aderans switch to a six month trial if it's just gonna be another Phase 2 trial?

                                Why change now?
                                You probably shouldnt worry about them extending their Phase II trials. Its not likely to happen and they havent mentioned going down this route either, its always been Phase II -> Phase III

                                This Phase IIb stuff is just speculation and a rumour started by someone on this forum. Of course, its entirely possible that Aderans extends their Phase II trials, but unlikely at this point.

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