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[Breaking Bald]

You guys really need to get a room

[KO1]

If you want this forum to be just about what YOU think, maybe you should start a blog.

If you want to scare guys out of taking a beneficial drug just to satiate your fear of it, then go to propeciahelp.com. They will love you over there.

You don't take fin, never have, know nothing about the drug, yet you incessantly post information that is flatly untrue, you scare people about it "fin is poison!". Why? Did you get secondhand side effects?

If you choose not to take fin, go on with your life, stop telling people to not take the medication.

[Arashi]

If you want to scare guys out of taking a beneficial drug just to satiate your fear of it, then go to propeciahelp.com. They will love you over there.

You don't take fin, never have, know nothing about the drug, yet you incessantly post information that is flatly untrue, you scare people about it "fin is poison!". Why? Did you get secondhand side effects?

Nope I will never take fin because of this:

Genitourinary side effects have included impotence (1.1% to 18.5%), abnormal ejaculation (7.2%), decreased ejaculatory volume (0.9% to 2.8%), abnormal sexual function (2.5%), gynecomastia (2.2%), erectile dysfunction (1.3%), ejaculation disorder (1.2%), and testicular pain.
Nervous system side effects including decreased libido (1.6% to 10.0%), dizziness (7.4%), and somnolence (1.7%) have been reported.
Cardiovascular side effects including postural hypotension (9.1%) and hypotension (1.2%) have been reported.

Oh and then there's increased risk of cancer.

I'd rather go bald than take those risks. You feel that keeping your hair is more important so you take fin. Perfectly fine with me. But I hate repeating myself and we're only running in circles so I'm afraid you'll need to find somebody else to satisfy your hobby.

[KO1]

That data is flat out wrong, I've pointed it out to you before, but you keep posting it. Nevertheless, I'll refresh your memory. What study is it from? Is it a double blind study? Single blind? Public opinion poll? Who is the treatment population? You have no answer.

"1.1% to 18.5%"...which one btw? 1.1% or 18.5%? LMAO.

Your problem is that double blind, placebo controlled studies, all place the incidence of sides at about 5%...but we can't let data get in the way of a good sob story.


Furthermore, who the hell are you to decide for others whether a 0.1% chance of PFS is worth it? You keep saying it's not worth it to you, then why are you constantly telling others to stop?

[Arashi]

That data is flat out wrong, I've pointed it out to you before, but you keep posting it.

"1.1% to 18.5%"...which one btw? 1.1 or 18.5%? LMAO.

Yeah i keep posting it because it is THE website for adverse side effects. Obviously there's a good deal of variance in study results. Just one of the many reasons I don't trust Merck's study's for a bit. Anyway ... BYE

[KO1]

Again, why are you so passionate about this? You don't take fin, will never take fin, but you love posting. Why?

[KO1]

Yeah i keep posting it because it is THE website for adverse side effects. Obviously there's a good deal of variance in study results. Just one of the many reasons I don't trust Merck's study's for a bit. Anyway ... BYE

You still havent answered my question on the source for that data. Where is it?

[joely]

Some people get sides others don't, some people chose to take it others don't its a personal choice that people should research, I don't get sides and it stopped my hair loss but others will not be as lucky, people have to decide for themselves! I think that pretty much sums it up


now can we please get back on topic

[cocacola]

I took fin for 4 months at a low dose and had sides . I strongly believe fin sides are understated by merck.

[The Alchemist]

Yeah i keep posting it because it is THE website for adverse side effects. Obviously there's a good deal of variance in study results. Just one of the many reasons I don't trust Merck's study's for a bit. Anyway ... BYE

Don't forget to mention depression and permanent ED. These were side effects of Fin that were not known years ago. They were not acknowleged by the company - yet they ran many clinical trials. How is that so? According to KO's logic, if the studies don't show an incidence rate or the rate is low for a particular side effect, it's a non-issue and anyone complaining of such things should check themselves into a nut house. After many years on the market the company "suddenly" started acknowledging that there are other side effects that they weren't aware of. Depression has been added (after it was already on the market) to propecias list of possible side effects This is due to the fact that their knowledge of the drug is not 100% complete. Even after being studied extensively. What else don't they know about this drug?

Any drug which which interferes with an enzyme that sits at the crossroads of multiple biochemical pathways is going to have unanticipated side effects. Some, which may not show up for years. Some which may not show up until the drug is withdrawn. Others which are difficult for the patient to assess because of gradual onset. It's nearly impossible to find these things out under the constraints of a double blind, placebo controlled study .

DHT is an important hormone. Proceed with caution if you plan to inhibit it in your body.

[KO1]

Depression huh? You don't think hair loss causes depression? 90% of this board is depressed and bipolar.

Also, what is the actual incidence of permanent ED among the total population of fin users? I'm all ears.

The incidence of things like permanent ED is extremely low, it makes for great shock value and hysteria, but it also ignores the fact that most people don't actually experience it.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Some people get sides others don't, some people chose to take it others don't its a personal choice that people should research, I don't get sides and it stopped my hair loss but others will not be as lucky, people have to decide for themselves! I think that pretty much sums it up


now can we please get back on topic

If the sides were not permanent, and not as severe as they currently are, then you know I would be cool with it. But reading about people struggling to get back to normal (if they are unlucky) is ****ing shit.

[Jcm800]

I hear you yeahyeahyeah, I'm contemplating fin and have been for ages, but the prospect of permanent sides freaks me out, as does a bald head. It's a step into the unknown, with terrible consequences potentially if we can't tolerate the drug.

It's easy to praise or condemn the drug either way if you have experience of it, it's finding out for yourself that's hard.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I hear you yeahyeahyeah, I'm contemplating fin and have been for ages, but the prospect of permanent sides freaks me out, as does a bald head. It's a step into the unknown, with terrible consequences potentially if we can't tolerate the drug.

It's easy to praise or condemn the drug either way if you have experience of it, it's finding out for yourself that's hard.

Im in the same boat, like you, I want to do something about my hairloss, but I would HATE it if what happened to Chrisis happens to me.

[stayhopeful]

This is not a fin forum... This is the cutting edge section... Fin is... not cutting edge