Dr Cole-Dr Nigam to meet up!!

[KO1]

I am taking the drug, and so should men who are worried about losing their hair. You don't take fin, I believe you have never taken fin before, and yet you comment. Why is that?

The problem is for you that you have little or no evidence backing up your claims that this drug causes sides in anything but a small number of people, and usually those dissipate upon cessation of treatment. Hence you keep arguing, posting your opinion as fact, and just generally posting drivel. You have pretty much no basis for your claims. You don't take fin, then fine, stop posting about it.

[Breaking Bald]

and the debate continues...

So I may as well weigh in, yes it is outdated. Do you really trust Merck and their studies? We know so little about the operation of the brain and the importance of DHT as a male hormone that I just don't think it worth the risk. People may be damaging themselves in ways we do not even understand yet. Everybody on this forum has the right to warn others about the potential damage that this drug can cause.

[KO1]

What potential damage though? You're speculating that this drug might cause some damage, but you cannot identify what that damage is, how it may happen, or to how many people. You cannot prove that rate is large, that the side effects will be persistent. But you just continue insisting upon vague notions of "something really really bad might happen"....yeah despite the fact that men have been taking this for twenty years.

Arashi is not warning about potential sides, he actively discourages people from taking the drug, and then drapes himself under the flag of "just giving info". I'm pretty open to the chance of side effects, but the fin haters take to the extreme.

[Breaking Bald]

What potential damage though? You're speculating that this drug might cause some damage, but you cannot identify what that damage is, how it may happen, or to how many people. You cannot prove that rate is large, that the side effects will be persistent. But you just continue insisting upon vague notions of "something really really bad might happen"....yeah despite the fact that men have been taking this for twenty years.

Lol, exactly my point. In no way is playing with a males hormones sensible, we do not know the potential dangers, so why risk it? You keep arguing your point, what evidence do you have? Merck's outdated, questionable trials? No thanks.

[KO1]

But arguing this is fun. Fin haters cry about the drug, I post evidence showing they're wrong. They cry more, and so it goes...

[KO1]

Lol, exactly my point. In no way is playing with a males hormones sensible, we do not know the potential dangers, so why risk it? You keep arguing your point, what evidence do you have? Merck's outdated, questionable trials? No thanks.

If you want to say there will be a harm, you have to specify it, and give some details. The burden of proof is on YOU. Just saying "something really really bad might happen, so people shouldn't take the drug" is not an argument, and it is not grounds for ACTIVELY discouraging people from taking the drug - what Arashi does. There is a difference being concerned about long term effects, and what Arashi is doing.


FYI, Merck is not the only one that has studied the drug. Even independent scholars, you might be familiar with the Rossi study have done 10 yr tests on it.

[Zao]

Genitourinary side effects have included impotence (1.1% to 18.5%), abnormal ejaculation (7.2%), decreased ejaculatory volume (0.9% to 2.8%), abnormal sexual function (2.5%), gynecomastia (2.2%), erectile dysfunction (1.3%), ejaculation disorder (1.2%), and testicular pain
Nervous system side effects including decreased libido (1.6% to 10.0%), dizziness (7.4%), and somnolence (1.7%) have been reported.
Cardiovascular side effects including postural hypotension (9.1%) and hypotension (1.2%) have been reported.


http://www.drugs.com/sfx/propecia-side-effects.html

Here's a good study for you.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/health/story/2011/03/New-study-links-pain-relievers-to-erectile-dysfunction/44363996/1

These drugs, including aspirin, seem to cause ED in a much greater percentage of men than Propecia and this was a huge study. Guess we should all boycott Advil!

[Breaking Bald]

If you want to say there will be a harm, you have to specify it, and give some details. The burden of proof is on YOU. Just saying "something really really bad might happen, so people shouldn't take the drug" is not an argument, and it is not grounds for ACTIVELY discouraging people from taking the drug - what Arashi does.


FYI, Merck is not the only one that has studied the drug. Even independent scholars, you might be familiar with the Rossi study have done 10 yr tests on it.

I'm not saying people 'shouldn't take this drug'. I'm saying people should think very hard before making any decisions , do not put words in my mouth. I have no proof, it is speculation but DHT is there for a reason like the rest of our hormones. It is after all a sex hormone, playing about with it is not logical!! It may or may not have cognitive implications also.

[joely]

Going a fraction of topic here folks

[TravisB]

Stop with the offtop ffs!!

[KO1]

I'm not saying people 'shouldn't take this drug'. I'm saying people should think very hard before making any decisions , do not put words in my mouth. I have no proof, it is speculation but DHT is there for a reason like the rest of our hormones. It is after all a sex hormone, playing about with it is not logical!! It may or may not have cognitive implications also.

I agree that one should know the risks, but surely you are aware of the crowd that goes, "don't take this drug, it is poison". Arashi falls into this category, and that's who I'm responding to.

Nevertheless, I suspect we may have this discussion again, but 3 times before the end of the week.

[35YrsAfter]

I just asked Dr. Cole what he thinks of finasteride. His response was; it does work in some cases, but it's minimally effective. Some doctors are selling a topical treatment that is a combination of minoxidil and finasteride. Dr. Cole questions whether finasteride can be absorbed through the skin. Finasteride identical twin studies would be worthwhile.

The bottom line is, we need hair loss treatments that are more effective than what are currently available.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
Cole Hair Transplant
1070 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions.

[Arashi]

But arguing this is fun.

You should go and work for Merck. Make a living out of your hobby.

Fin haters cry about the drug, I post evidence showing they're wrong. They cry more, and so it goes...

You don't seem to understand what people are saying. Even if the risk of persistent impotence is 0.1%, some people feel that keeping their hair is not worth that risk.

Anyway enjoy debating this for another 10+ pages.

[KO1]

You don't seem to understand what people are saying. Even if the risk of persistent impotence is 0.1%, some people feel that keeping their hair is not worth that risk.

Then keep your opinion to yourself, and stop actively discouraging people from using the drug. You do not take the drug, I believe never have, and yet you post on and on about it.

[Arashi]

Then keep your opinion to yourself, and stop actively discouraging people from using the drug.

If you want this forum to be just about what YOU think, maybe you should start a blog.