Reconsidering my position on reproducing with the balding gene

[Notcoolanymore]

Yet who here (forum dedicated to a depressing problem) would trade places with him? Nobody

Check and Mate.

[baldozer]

In real life Willie's look is popular with some women. As women get older they often realize the importance/superiority of inner qualities in men

Who cares about used up older women? They have had their fun with guys they thought were hot and now want to settle down with a beta loser. They don't care about looks at that point of course, but it is due to their desire to leech off from a rich man, and not because they are attracted to such a man.

[25 going on 65]

In real life Willie's look is popular with some women. As women get older they often realize the importance/superiority of inner qualities in men

Well yes. When aging forces you off the market it makes sense to settle down w/ a stable guy who can provide so you can finish your life in some comfort

Check out this guy. 4'1" and could not possibly be more bald. He's an actor and stunt performer. His wife is pretty hot for a little person, and he has a son who is over a foot taller than him. I bet you he's happy to be alive. Everybody's always saying, "famous people don't count they weren't bald when they got famous." This dude was never taller than 4'1".

Yet who here (forum dedicated to a depressing problem) would trade places with him? Nobody

[Notcoolanymore]

His wife is the hottest looking little person I have ever seen.

[Mike K]

I can not deny someone who does not exist. & I can not see how reproducing w/ a genetic trait as bad as andro alopecia is less selfish than sparing the next generation from yet another set of MPB genes.

Also there are not short fat ugly people who are happy as hell to be alive. At best they can distract themselves from their own situation w/ drugs, TV etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Klebba_%26_Eaton.JPG

Check out this guy. 4'1" and could not possibly be more bald. He's an actor and stunt performer. His wife is pretty hot for a little person, and he has a son who is over a foot taller than him. I bet you he's happy to be alive. Everybody's always saying, "famous people don't count they weren't bald when they got famous." This dude was never taller than 4'1".

[35YrsAfter]

I can not deny someone who does not exist. & I can not see how reproducing w/ a genetic trait as bad as andro alopecia is less selfish than sparing the next generation from yet another set of MPB genes.

Also there are not short fat ugly people who are happy as hell to be alive. At best they can distract themselves from their own situation w/ drugs, TV etc

Not being happy with the way we look can of course be a real downer. My wife and I watched an episode of the TV series "White Collar" last night. In one scene Mat Bomer, Tim Dekay and Willie Garson were sitting in a car waiting for a computer hacker contact to phone them. The computer hacker was played by Lena Headey (Sarah Conner from the Sarah Conner Chronicles). From across the street, looking in the car she requested the handsome guy. Both Mat Bomer and Tim DeKay started to get out of the car. Lena Head said no, the handsome guy in the back, who was Willie Garson pictured below (third from the left). Willie got the girl later in the show.

In real life Willie's look is popular with some women. As women get older they often realize the importance/superiority of inner qualities in men

Willie Garson Interview

[25 going on 65]

Ya know, I have had this same thought about maybe I should just never have kids. I mean the world is overpopulated as it is and there are plenty of other dudes with way better hair genetics out there than me. That being said, I'm glad I was born and other than my hair I consider myself to be a pretty good looking guy. It could be argued that the reason we are on this earth is to reproduce and to not do so is selfish even if you do think you have bad genetics. You could have a son who is shorter, fatter, uglier than you and start balding before you did, but he might be happy as hell just to be alive. Who are you to deny him that? Just a thought.

I can not deny someone who does not exist. & I can not see how reproducing w/ a genetic trait as bad as andro alopecia is less selfish than sparing the next generation from yet another set of MPB genes.

Also there are not short fat ugly people who are happy as hell to be alive. At best they can distract themselves from their own situation w/ drugs, TV etc

[Mike K]

Ya know, I have had this same thought about maybe I should just never have kids. I mean the world is overpopulated as it is and there are plenty of other dudes with way better hair genetics out there than me. That being said, I'm glad I was born and other than my hair I consider myself to be a pretty good looking guy. It could be argued that the reason we are on this earth is to reproduce and to not do so is selfish even if you do think you have bad genetics. You could have a son who is shorter, fatter, uglier than you and start balding before you did, but he might be happy as hell just to be alive. Who are you to deny him that? Just a thought.

[Shelley79328]

Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water!!! You can't be serious?? If one did not reproduce because they have a different gene expression than the majority (balding or low IQ or heart defect for example) no one, I mean no one would ever reproduce!!

[DannyBoyy7]

I wouldnt listen to them Keeno...you get tossers out there you said people put their kids next to you so not EVERYONE thinks this...shit happens im afraid...i got hate when i had hair with no sign of hairloss so it dont matter to me regardless.

[Notcoolanymore]

Well I'm glad you decided to shave your head, since it appears to have changed your life. The shit that you had to go through is just plain effed up. It's good you didn't let it defeat you.

[Keeno]

Keeno,

Sorry if your post went over my head, but if I understand you correctly you are saying that since shaving your head, people have changed the way they treated you.

Yes, without a doubt. I never seriously thought there would be such a change, but I did see immediate results. Being out in public was different immediately and continued to be. The same is true for people I personally knew who had virtually shunned me before, such as one or two people at work, I can say that they changed.

The horseshoe look is pretty bad, especially if you let the sides grow out, but I never really made the connection with NW6/NW7 and pedophilia.

I never in my right mind made this connection either. But there are a lot of stupid arseholes out there and only people who aren't in their right mind make this connection. People will likely say you should just ignore such people, but if you're getting accused of being a paedophile, then Houston you have a problem. Dealing with the horseshoe is one of the things I did to try to address that problem. Just Google for what people say the paedophile stereotypes are and "bald" or "balding" comes up frequently.

I had to figure out all for myself, what to do about my hair, as people don't tend to tell you exactly how bad the horseshoe look is.

[Notcoolanymore]

Keeno,

Sorry if your post went over my head, but if I understand you correctly you are saying that since shaving your head, people have changed the way they treated you. The horseshoe look is pretty bad, especially if you let the sides grow out, but I never really made the connection with NW6/NW7 and pedophilia. Personally I have no doubt that you look much better shaving/close buzzing your head.

[baldozer]

Gave this some thought. It probably is the best argument anyone can make against my OP
However the evidence is still right in front of my face....couples w/ little to no premature balding in their families seem much less likely to have kids w/ premature balding. Whereas when even 1 parent has 1 parent (ie the child has 1 grandparent) w/ premature balding, the chances of the kid balding before 30 are HUGE

Balding is aesthetic death for almost everyone. I can not see how it is moral to have children, if you have a genetic makeup that almost guarantees disfigurement DURING young adulthood
And yes it is disfiguring

Its not necessarily disfiguring. For example Zidane looks great bald.

[Keeno]

This will be a quite different slant from the rest of the thread but I have reconsidered my position on reproducing with the balding gene too.

My reasons for NOT reproducing with the balding gene (or whatever gene) were very deep, I have to say. Through my young adulthood, coincidentially when I was going about with an NW7 horseshoe all throughout that period in my life, I was getting accused of being a paedophile. Indeed, that was always accompanied with threats or attempts of violence.... therefore I was ending up traumatised again and again and again.

I don't know for sure that this stuff happened because I had a horseshoe, and glasses. There are stereotypes around what combination of traits makes a "paedophile", and things like balding and glasses always seem high on the list. I have Asperger's too and struggled for a long time against coming across as odd, or socially awkward, and would think it's more relevant that I was an introvert on the autistic spectrum so seemed "different".

Not surprisingly I avoided children altogether, and certainly didn't ever want to have any of my own, because of what I went through.

I know that besides inevitable personality stereotypes, balding is a thing that still contributes to the paedo stereotype, given my experiences before and after shaving the horseshoe off. A couple of examples are as follows:

I go to a local Starbucks every week, where there are many parents with kids, and they often come and sit at my table and leave the kids alone with me while they order.

I was on the bus to work on Monday and a mother and daughter sat with me (indeed it's always young attractive women who sit beside me on buses, which they never did before). The girl in her buggy was put straight in front of me, was initiating (and allowed to continue) interaction with me, and took to me so much that she expressed wishes that I was her father, with no dissent or revocation from her mother for saying this.

There are many other such cases, but I still don't seek to be near kids, yet they are always being brought near me and to me. When they are, I notice people looking upon this, not to give me dirty looks as if I'm a paedo, but smiling because they think it's a cute and pleasant scene.

This stuff doesn't suggest I come across as a paedo any more, indeed perhaps someone who looks suitable to be near kids and have kids, and only happened since I shaved off what had been a grown horseshoe. It has made me reconsider whether I want to reproduce or not as there are loud and clear signals society is not revoking me if kids are near me.

I just find it highly encouraging and never had thought things like just shacing your head would be THAT transformative.