Starting dutasteride

[chrisis]

"Actual scientists" aside, I still think the anecdotal evidence from pro-fin people vastly outweighs that of the anti-fin people. Not taking fin, going bald, and looking back wondering "what if" would be more painful than sides.

We don't have any numbers for how many men have sides. Men are notorious for not seeking medical help or talking about personal issues. I'm quite open and it took me almost a year to seek help.

[clandestine]

Not taking fin, going bald, and looking back wondering "what if" would be more painful than sides.

This is the dominant mode of thought by most. Interestingly (and unfortunately) once sides are experienced, a dramatic shift in paradigm occurs; people often regretting ever having taken fin in the first place.

[chrisis]

This is the dominant mode of thought by most. Interestingly (and unfortunately) once sides are experienced, a dramatic shift in paradigm occurs; people often regretting ever having taken fin in the first place.

All kinds of excuses are put out there as to why the sides might be psychological in nature. This an important topic and it's treated with the due diligence of topics we find middle aged men discussing in a bar.

I hear time and time again that men who worry they'll suffer sides will most likely suffer them. What is this based on? Plucked from the ether, apparently!

I want to make it quite clear that I was confident this drug wouldn't give me sides. I actually even dismissed any sides I did notice, until they were so evident that I couldn't deny it any longer. I believe most men are very in tune with their sexual health, and have a good idea if something has dramatically changed biologically; something separate from the mind. But dismissing sides as "in the head" is a soothing comfort for those who have been lucky enough to avoid them.

If I had avoided sides, maybe I'd be dismissing them too - such is the emotional connection when it comes to keeping our hair and the biases we are subject to.

[dex89]

Chrisis, while I really feel for you, I'm far more inclined to believe the results found by actual scientists than a band of anonymous faces on the internet that say fin/dut gave them persistent sides.

Aames, where do you purchase your DUT?

Seeing that link you posted motivated me to make a switch. I understand this drug might be more potent then FIN and the sides are higher but I'm pretty sure I won't be affected.

[Aames]

Aames, where do you purchase your DUT?

Seeing that link you posted motivated me to make a switch. I understand this drug might be more potent then FIN and the sides are higher but I'm pretty sure I won't be affected.

I got Dr Reddy's Dutas from inhouse. Check my duta log in about a month. I'm going to get a blood test to confirm it's legit. If it isn't, which I highly doubt, I'll seek an actual prescription despite the ridiculous cost.

[dex89]

I got Dr Reddy's Dutas from inhouse. Check my duta log in about a month. I'm going to get a blood test to confirm it's legit. If it isn't, which I highly doubt, I'll seek an actual prescription despite the ridiculous cost.

Thanks for the reply,

Your taking the same stuff his guy has been on (http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/m...VIEWTMP=Linear)

Seems legit.

[drybone]

"Actual scientists" aside, I still think the anecdotal evidence from pro-fin people vastly outweighs that of the anti-fin people. Not taking fin, going bald, and looking back wondering "what if" would be more painful than sides.

This

To add to it, the fin sides are mild compared to the dut is a more powerful kind of DHT blocker.

I havent had any sides on the fin, but I am going to talk to several doctors about upping it to dutasteride and the pros/cons.

The main goal is to keep my hair. Its a lot easier to keep it than to transplant it.

[drybone]

This is the dominant mode of thought by most. Interestingly (and unfortunately) once sides are experienced, a dramatic shift in paradigm occurs; people often regretting ever having taken fin in the first place.

This is horsecrap and spreading lies. Less than 4% of people even experience noticeable side effects so saying 'people often' is an outright lie.

[chrisis]

This is horsecrap and spreading lies. Less than 4% of people even experience noticeable side effects so saying 'people often' is an outright lie.

4% based on a few studies with methodical flaws and conducted/supported by drugs companies with a financial incentive and track record for lying/hiding inconvenient data.

[Aames]

4% based on a few studies with methodical flaws and conducted/supported by drugs companies with a financial incentive and track record for lying/hiding inconvenient data.

Millions of men have used fin. I'm guessing that most of the people with persistent sides eventually find their way to propeciahelp, which has around 2k members IIRC. What does that tell you?

[chrisis]

Millions of men have used fin. I'm guessing that most of the people with persistent sides eventually find their way to propeciahelp, which has around 2k members IIRC. What does that tell you?

Actually 2671 which for the sake of your argument would be 15% of the membership of Bald Truth Talk, for example. If 15% of men have an issue taking this drug, we have a problem.

[Aames]

Actually 2671 which for the sake of your argument would be 15% of the membership of Bald Truth Talk, for example. If 15% of men have an issue taking this drug, we have a problem.

This argument will never end. Our biases are too great to overcome. You were greatly affected by fin's side effects and want to warn others. I try to forget about them because I desperately want to save my hair. Merck has added persistent side effects to the label now, it's all on whether or not the individual wants to roll the dice.

[drybone]

Actually 2671 which for the sake of your argument would be 15% of the membership of Bald Truth Talk, for example. If 15% of men have an issue taking this drug, we have a problem.

85% of men having no issues with the drug is a huge success. Its well higher than that, but even by your own standards the fact is the 15% can stop taking the medicine if they experience these side effects you are so hell bent on ranting about over and over like EVERYONE gets them.

I am certain 10% of people who take ASPIRIN get side effects. The warning is right on the label of the bottle.

I dont see huge million man marches trying to stop the evil makers of Aspirin.

Why do you have to TROLL this place like you are some authority to speak for all men. You aint.

If you had issues with Finasteride then it sucks to be you. For the other 96% of us.............oh Im sorry, 85% of us, let us use it in peace and trying to rain on our parade.

[chrisis]

Hi drybone,

To summarise, since joining a year ago, my posts pretty much work like this:

• learning about hair loss solutions
• describing my use of finasteride and minoxidil, both widely promoted by BTT
• describing post finasteride problems, quitting the drug and advocating caution to others
• my decision making process about hair surgery,

This is my 1000+ genuine and honest experience, as a 28/29 year old guy, going through hair loss and looking for answers. I'm not some anti-Propecia whacko, using the forum to further some non-disclosed interest I have (which would be what exactly? Is there money in advocating ethical safety with drugs?) If any of my posts have been interpreted as "trolling", then I think you either don't understand the word or are using it provocatively because you disagree with me.

Another false assumption - I have never advocated the banning of this drug. I have suggested Merck might pull it, but that's a genuine opinion based on falling sales and rising expenses associated with litigation. I want men to be properly and fairly informed, which often they are not. I listened to two BTT talk shows recently, and the amount of air time used to defend the drug concerned me. What I think we need is men to do thorough research and doctors/drug companies/hair loss consultants to take side effects more seriously, rather than dismissing them with half baked theories about psychology. This is after all, a real drug that interacts with the male hormonal system in ways we do not fully understand. I've yet to read or hear anything on this website about ways this community is acknowledging and supporting sufferers in meaningful ways. We're just quickly dismissed and then the conversation moves on to Histogen or Dr Gho.

I don't claim that the figure is 15%. I don't know what the figure is; nobody does and I'd be wary of of those that claim to know. My point was that if we're going by membership of forums to indicate how serious this problem is, then the number on Propeciahelp.com is comparatively high.

We don't know how many men are suffering from Propecia side effects. The membership of forums is no indication, neither is the amount of traffic/posts dedicated to these topics on forums such as this. Men tend not to talk openly about medical problems, especially of a sexual nature. Of the millions said to be taking this drug, we cannot draw any conclusions about how many have experienced any adverse reaction. It's entirely unknown.

[chrisis]

1000+

I meant 1000+ posts!