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  • burtandernie
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 1563

    #16
    Let me ask this then. How many centimeters is a mature hairline before it then changes to MPB status? Also who or how was this measurement defined?
    If I took this measurement in centimeters to any hair transplant doctor would he agree with that measurement then that its just mature hairline verses MPB? If they dont then it seems no one really agrees what a mature hairline is.
    I have never seen any formal scale or chart universally defining the mature hairline. The norwood scale starts at 2 but again why does it start there if a guy lost hair to get to that point it doesnt happen to women.

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    • yeahyeahyeah
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1776

      #17
      Originally posted by burtandernie
      Let me ask this then. How many centimeters is a mature hairline before it then changes to MPB status? Also who or how was this measurement defined?
      If I took this measurement in centimeters to any hair transplant doctor would he agree with that measurement then that its just mature hairline verses MPB? If they dont then it seems no one really agrees what a mature hairline is.
      I have never seen any formal scale or chart universally defining the mature hairline. The norwood scale starts at 2 but again why does it start there if a guy lost hair to get to that point it doesnt happen to women.
      You are balding, everyone's hairline matures before they are visibly balding.

      The good news is, this process can take decades and there are new treatments around the corner.

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      • sp8rky
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 152

        #18
        A NW7 is normal for people losing their hair, and MPB isn't a disease.

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        • re22
          Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 35

          #19
          Originally posted by burtandernie
          Let me ask this then. How many centimeters is a mature hairline before it then changes to MPB status? Also who or how was this measurement defined?
          If I took this measurement in centimeters to any hair transplant doctor would he agree with that measurement then that its just mature hairline verses MPB? If they dont then it seems no one really agrees what a mature hairline is.
          I have never seen any formal scale or chart universally defining the mature hairline. The norwood scale starts at 2 but again why does it start there if a guy lost hair to get to that point it doesnt happen to women.
          Not true. Many women have what could be considered a Norwood 2 hairline.

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          • BigThinker
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2012
            • 1507

            #20
            Originally posted by burtandernie
            Why is some hair loss called a "mature hairline" by some people who supposedly understand hair loss yet hair loss to a greater extent is then called MPB and changes to being considered a disease? If a mature hairline is just because most men commonly lose hair as they age then the same logic says farther norwood levels are also common and MPB is not really a problem at all then.
            How do you pick and choose at random how much hair loss is normal verses when it changes over to a treatable disease I mean it really seems made up to me and smells like BS.


            Why are you going on and on about the idea of a "mature hairline"? Whether you like it or not, the general population acknowledges this concept, even without strict quantitative guidelines/thresholds.

            Sure, it is a form of balding and typically is a predecessor to continued balding. However, many men do develop "mature hairlines" and retain one for many, many years afterwards.

            I'm glad you at least started a thread to unload your non-constructive babel, as opposed to interjecting yourself into every other thread.

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            • Tracy C
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 3083

              #21
              Originally posted by burtandernie
              Let me ask this then. How many centimeters is a mature hairline before it then changes to MPB status?
              Type "V" MPB is best indicated by thinning in the vertex and mid-anterior areas as well as possible excessive temple hair loss that is beyond the natural and normal adult mature male hair line for your race.. Type "A" MPB is indicated by marked recession of the forelock. You need to stop thinking of temple hair recession as a sole indication of MPB. Hairline recession alone does not indicate MPB at all.



              Originally posted by burtandernie
              I have never seen any formal scale or chart universally defining the mature hairline.
              There is no universal "one size fits all" mature male hair line. It varies by race. Caucaion males tend to have deeper temple hair recession than other races.

              Go to HairDirect.com and spend the $50.00 for the male fitting kit. In that kit they include temples of the most common mature male hair lines by race. Now try to put your thinking cap on and think about this. If the natural and normal adult mature male hair line does not exist, why then does Hair Direct include templates of it in their fitting kit? The reason they include these templates in their fitting kit is because it does exist. It is real. It is normal - and by itself it is not an indication of MPB.

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              • Tracy C
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 3083

                #22
                Originally posted by sp8rky
                A NW7 is normal for people losing their hair, and MPB isn't a disease.
                Not every man with MPB progresses all the way to Norwood 7. That second part is true though. MPB is not a disease. It totally stinks, especially for guys who are unable to cope with it, but MPB is both natural and normal.

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                • sp8rky
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 152

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Tracy C
                  Not every man with MPB progresses all the way to Norwood 7. That second part is true though. MPB is not a disease. It totally stinks, especially for guys who are unable to cope with it, but MPB is both natural and normal.
                  That wasn't my point, my point is that a NW7 is natural, should a man bald to this stage.

                  I don't see NW7 men in the street and think, he doesn't look normal, infact it wouldn't even register to me that the man was bald at all.

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                  • greatjob!
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 909

                    #24
                    Originally posted by BigThinker
                    Why are you going on and on about the idea of a "mature hairline"?
                    Because he is trying to justify his obsession with hairloss even though he is a NW 1/2, it is ruining his life...

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                    • burtandernie
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 1563

                      #25
                      The issue is your arbitrarily picking some random spot say 2 cm and saying that first 2 cm is not MPB even though its hair loss caused by the normal MPB process. Then once its past 2cm your calling it the start of MPB when really its all the same process happening.
                      Small amounts of hair loss even NW 1 -> NW 2 changes your appearance whether that bothers someone or being NW 7 bothers them depends on the person. How can you make that choice for them.

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                      • mpb47
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 676

                        #26
                        Originally posted by burtandernie
                        What about me calling MPB an extra matured hairline and since MPB is common for most men (80% at some point in life) its not a disease or problem at all?
                        I feel your saying a man getting a mature hairline does not have hair loss but really its the same underlying condition whether its common or not among most men is irrelevant because not every man gets it. If every single man on earth had it then I would agree with you
                        Well it's semantics but it's really not a disease at all. From way back in biology class to more recent medical literature, it is stated that all Caucasian males are encoded for mbp at birth and about 96% or so experience at least temple recession. 80-85+ percent go further than that. Notice I said Caucasian males, not males in general. We got the short end of the stick so to speak.

                        My biology teacher called it something like a delayed secondary sexual trait with mixed penetrance (or something like that). She said there would not be any stigma about balding if it happened to all males at the same time like puberty.

                        With that said, knowing that I am basically supposed to go bald doesn't make me feel much better. But at the same time, just knowing that it was going to happen to me was enough motivation to get on propecia.

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                        • Tracy C
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 3083

                          #27
                          Originally posted by burtandernie
                          Why is some hair loss called a "mature hairline" by some people who supposedly understand hair loss yet hair loss to a greater extent is then called MPB and changes to being considered a disease?
                          The natural and normal adult mature male hair line is not MPB. It is a typical male trait like a deeper voice, bigger hands, bigger feet and so on. It is more common for caucasian males than other races.

                          MPB is different from the natural and normal adult male hairline and it is not a disease.

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                          • yeahyeahyeah
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 1776

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Tracy C
                            The natural and normal adult mature male hair line is not MPB. It is a typical male trait like a deeper voice, bigger hands, bigger feet and so on. It is more common for caucasian males than other races.

                            MPB is different from the natural and normal adult male hairline and it is not a disease.
                            yet not every man develops it, yet every man's voice breaks.

                            mature hairlines is MPB (A milder form)

                            I know so many guys in their 30s with a perfect set of hair.

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                            • burtandernie
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 1563

                              #29
                              Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
                              yet not every man develops it, yet every man's voice breaks.

                              mature hairlines is MPB (A milder form)

                              I know so many guys in their 30s with a perfect set of hair.
                              Yeah I agree. I also personally think a stronger AA maybe one that targets receptors can completely stop MPB much like castrated men. I think MPB really is all androgens we just dont have any such treatment to see the results yet. Its a huge part of MPB though in terms of stopping MPB maybe even under rated still because propecia falls short

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                              • mpb47
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 676

                                #30
                                Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
                                yet not every man develops it, yet every man's voice breaks.

                                mature hairlines is MPB (A milder form)

                                I know so many guys in their 30s with a perfect set of hair.

                                96% is almost every (Caucasian) man.

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