Propecia side affects Merck or bladtruth won't tell you about

[burtandernie]

Whats the point? Well could be that people get furious by false research, marketing that will effect them permanently.
If you put 2% possible sides instead of lets say 20%, then you would take the change because 2% is like a needle in a haystack.
But you took the risk, so it docent matter because you where one of the unlucky ones.

I could argue the other way about all natural products but I wont.

[JoeTillman]

Someone taking me seriously or not about a subject that I've been intimiately involved with for fourteen years is not really something that concerns me on a day to day basis. I was referenced as a resource in the initial post of this thread and I quantified my experience and clarified my position. Take it or leave it. When arguments to the contrary of my first hand observations start to venture into the land of conspiracy and big pharma cover ups all in the name of the dollar, well, that is where I check out. Take finasteride or don't take finasteride. It's up to the reader.

[Herbaliser]

Someone taking me seriously or not about a subject that I've been intimiately involved with for fourteen years is not really something that concerns me on a day to day basis. I was referenced as a resource in the initial post of this thread and I quantified my experience and clarified my position. Take it or leave it. When arguments to the contrary of my first hand observations start to venture into the land of conspiracy and big pharma cover ups all in the name of the dollar, well, that is where I check out. Take finasteride or don't take finasteride. It's up to the reader.

I was just making a point that there is big money involved in the pharma industry, the sudden vaccination campaigns for example.
I´m sure that you have a lot of knowledge in your area, but you have to understand that some people realize how the hole industry works.
Sure Fin could work some people, but still the 2% sides is a big joke and the drug itself is not for hair loss from the beginning.

[topt]

Someone taking me seriously or not about a subject that I've been intimiately involved with for fourteen years is not really something that concerns me on a day to day basis. I was referenced as a resource in the initial post of this thread and I quantified my experience and clarified my position. Take it or leave it. When arguments to the contrary of my first hand observations start to venture into the land of conspiracy and big pharma cover ups all in the name of the dollar, well, that is where I check out. Take finasteride or don't take finasteride. It's up to the reader.

Joe; in case you missed my post; do you know anybody that got permanent sides with working over 10k people in those 14 years ?
Thank you

[JoeTillman]

Joe; in case you missed my post; do you know anybody that got permanent sides with working over 10k people in those 14 years ?
Thank you

Hi Topt,

Sorry to have overlooked this. No, I do not recall a single patient that legitimately told me they were suffering from permanent side effects after they stopped taking the medication. I had one guy call me and he told me this and he said that he had to take Viagra to overcome the side effects. We spoke for quite a while and then he told me he was happy about the fact that he no longer needed Viagra...... and then I asked him to repeat himself and when he did he paused and in a sheepish sounding voice realized what he had said and told me he'd call me back later. I said as much on one of the more recent shows.

[topt]

Thank you Joe and DR. Cole;

Dr. Cole; has any of your patients complained of other side effects ( depression; suicidal thoughts,..) ?
As I understand some people that were a part of Dr. Irwig study committed suicide. As bad as ED an libido problems are this scares me the most as a possible user.
Do you still consider Propecia safe, would you recommend it to your new patients ?

[Jasari]

For what it's worth I've been a Propecia user for over 8 years. I say Propecia because on the occasions I've switched to Generic Fin I've lost huge amounts of hair. I've done a one year & six month trial of the Generic versions. On each occasion I just lose ground on a long term basis.

Once back on Propecia I begin to regrow my hair after 12 weeks. I can't say that I've noticed any sort of difference between brand name and generic Minox. For me however: Brand name Fin trumps Generic. I have no answers as to why.

[John15]

The U.S. National Institutes of Health now recognises Post Finasteride Syndrome as a real condition.

https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/gard/12407/post-finasteride-syndrome/resources/1

[John15]

Dr. Micheal Irwig says none of the Finasteride studies properly measured the side effects.

[burtandernie]

The U.S. National Institutes of Health now recognises Post Finasteride Syndrome as a real condition.

https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/ga...me/resources/1

No one ever said it wasnt. No one said permanent side effects are impossible to get. Its a tiny minority percentage of even that 2 percent that got any sexual sides that is minuscule to say the least. If you understand odds or percentages you would have a good context of what that means. Its like worrying about what to spend your money on before you won the lottery. Personally that would have no effect on whether I tried the drug or not.
I know many men that use finasteride in real life for many years with no issues. I believe the percentages in the studies of sides are near the truth

[PayDay]

So I did some research based on the birth control pill comparison that is talked about on the show. Very interesting what I found.

An estimated 150 million women worldwide take birth control pills and a much greater percentage of that huge population suffer with sexual side effects as well as life threatening side effects then men who take Propecia. Why is it that there are no class action lawsuits being launched on behalf of these women proven to have permanent sexual side effects? And these have been proven by real studies, not just asking a group of men with ED who happen to take Propecia their thoughts on the matter.

Simply put, it’s because sexual disfunction in women is much more difficult for lawyers, society and courts to wrap their heads around. Lawyers don’t see any payoff so they do not pursue these cases. Perhaps now that there is a female version of Viagra on the market that will change, but do you really believe doctors will stop prescribing birth control to women?

You will find more anti birth control articles (hormonal and non hormonal) videos and forum posts than anti-Propecia. The only reason this issue has become so big is because there is money in it, not really for the victims, but for the lawyers, and the press will eat it up! This is how the world works and anyone who believes that just because there have been a couple of news stories or articles about PFS or that someone started a foundation, or that there are lawyers suing Merck are extremely naive to believe it’s because the incidence of side effects is so much greater than Merck would have us believe. It’s all about opportunity and in the end, money, ratings or whatever else some people believe they can exploit.

And what’s interesting is that even Irwig states that less than 1% of men taking Propecia have been found to suffer with persistent side effects in whatever clinical trials he is referring to. A much greater percentage of women who take the pill are effected yet where are the foundations and lawsuits?
Think about it.

Thousands of Women Say This Birth Control “Ruined Their Lives"

http://kdvr.com/2014/11/14/women-say-popular-birth-control-has-ruined-my-life/

Woman Against Birth Control Pills: How “The Pill" Ruined My Sex Life

http://www.herballove.com/case-studies/woman-against-birth-control-pills-how-pill-ruined-my-sex-life

Is the Pill Killing Your Sex Drive?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/05/17/is-the-pill-killing-your-sex-drive.html

[topt]

The % of permanent sides is the problem. I mean even if they are at lets say 0,2%; that 2 of every 1000 people ( dr. Cole example).
If this can be proven than I am sure Fin will be recalled. It is strange that FDA refused to allow Fin as prostate enlargement prevention treatment but allow it for prevention of hair loss.
Damn still dont know to take this or not :-(

[topt]

So I did some research based on the birth control pill comparison that is talked about on the show. Very interesting what I found.

An estimated 150 million women worldwide take birth control pills and a much greater percentage of that huge population suffer with sexual side effects as well as life threatening side effects then men who take Propecia. Why is it that there are no class action lawsuits being launched on behalf of these women proven to have permanent sexual side effects? And these have been proven by real studies, not just asking a group of men with ED who happen to take Propecia their thoughts on the matter.

Simply put, it’s because sexual disfunction in women is much more difficult for lawyers, society and courts to wrap their heads around. Lawyers don’t see any payoff so they do not pursue these cases. Perhaps now that there is a female version of Viagra on the market that will change, but do you really believe doctors will stop prescribing birth control to women?

You will find more anti birth control articles (hormonal and non hormonal) videos and forum posts than anti-Propecia. The only reason this issue has become so big is because there is money in it, not really for the victims, but for the lawyers, and the press will eat it up! This is how the world works and anyone who believes that just because there have been a couple of news stories or articles about PFS or that someone started a foundation, or that there are lawyers suing Merck are extremely naive to believe it’s because the incidence of side effects is so much greater than Merck would have us believe. It’s all about opportunity and in the end, money, ratings or whatever else some people believe they can exploit.

And what’s interesting is that even Irwig states that less than 1% of men taking Propecia have been found to suffer with persistent side effects in whatever clinical trials he is referring to. A much greater percentage of women who take the pill are effected yet where are the foundations and lawsuits?
Think about it.

Thousands of Women Say This Birth Control “Ruined Their Lives"

http://kdvr.com/2014/11/14/women-say-popular-birth-control-has-ruined-my-life/

Woman Against Birth Control Pills: How “The Pill" Ruined My Sex Life

http://www.herballove.com/case-studies/woman-against-birth-control-pills-how-pill-ruined-my-sex-life

Is the Pill Killing Your Sex Drive?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...sex-drive.html

You think that if there is 1% of persistent sides that thats OK ? The drug would be removed immediately

[PayDay]

It is strange that FDA refused to allow Fin as prostate enlargement prevention treatment but allow it for prevention of hair loss.
Damn still dont know to take this or not :-(

Ummm, It is approved from prostate enlargement. It was approved and being sold as Proscar since 1992. This drug has been on the market for 23 years and is currently being taken by millions of men.

[topt]

Yes but they applied for fin as a prevention drug and lost