My Finasteride Story so far...

[Desmond84]

Yeah give it a shot

So you have to crush the tablet first! The finer it is the faster it dissolves. Then add it to your your Vodka/Ethanol. Close the bottle and shake it for a minute or so and voila you're done!

Keep in mind that some of ingredients (fillers, etc) will not dissolve and will sediment to the bottom. That's OK...The finasteride should have dissolved regardless.

Good luck brother and keep me posted

[Dan26]

Hey Dan,

Go into your local Pharmacy and ask the Pharmacist for it! They may keep some in the back where they compound creams and ointments.

In Australia, almost all Pharmacists keep some in the back of dispensary. I'm sure Canada's the same.

If they didn't give it to you try the Vodka technique...its OK

Ohh k thanks a lot man. I wouldn't have high hopes for them giving me ethanol, but no harm in asking I suppose! You do think vodka may do the trick though? I dont mind wasting a bit of the vodka and even the propecia especially since im using such a small amount and one 1mg pill would take me a long way. I'd probably do weekly batches to air on the safe side and just dump the rest after the week is done.

[Desmond84]

Hey Desmond, I read that finasteride is soluble in lower alchohol solvents and practically insoluble in water, but also saw that it is its soluble in water at 11.7mg/liter??
What I planned to do was crush a 1mg propecia pill into 10ml of Vodka and take 0.5ml, do you think this would work??
Thanks man.

Hey Dan,

Go into your local Pharmacy and ask the Pharmacist for it! They may keep some in the back where they compound creams and ointments.

In Australia, almost all Pharmacists keep some in the back of dispensary. I'm sure Canada's the same.

If they didn't give it to you try the Vodka technique...its OK

[Dan26]

Don't use vodka. Vodka barely has any alcohol. Try to get ethanol, or something like Everclear.

Im in Canada and would have to travel to another province or go to the states to get everclear. Im gonna look for whatever has the highest alcohol content at my local liquor store, I know vodka is 40%.

[KO1]

Don't use vodka. Vodka barely has any alcohol. Try to get ethanol, or something like Everclear.

[Dan26]

Actually I tried the 0.05mg/day very early on! The trouble is Finasteride is NOT water-soluble and you have to dissolve it in Ethanol! I started getting the sides immediately which meant that it was working but the ethanol in it was also giving me indigestion and I've never suffered from indigestion before albeit I'm not a heavy drinker!

So yeah, I guess you can try it! 0.05mg every 3 days should still save your hair guaranteed and those studies you posted definitely confirm it! I used the same studies to come up with 0.25mg TWICE A WEEK

Let me know if you need help calculating the dose and amount of ethanol.

Good luck!

Hey Desmond, I read that finasteride is soluble in lower alchohol solvents and practically insoluble in water, but also saw that it is its soluble in water at 11.7mg/liter??
What I planned to do was crush a 1mg propecia pill into 10ml of Vodka and take 0.5ml, do you think this would work??
Thanks man.

[Dan26]

Yeah, IMO that's the benefit of a systemic drug, with a topical you may miss areas that are not visibly thinning, but still susceptible to MPB. So do both.

Exactly. If you are losing hair and can lower your DHT systemically without any/much negative effects, no reason not to do it!

[KO1]

Good idea/point KO. I am already using RU so electing to go oral with the low dose fin. And I got CB on the way lol. Problem for me is applying to my entire NW6 area with only RU/CB is hard and damn expensive. Lowering DHT systemically will be nice boost so I wont have to go ham on my dome topically.

Yeah, IMO that's the benefit of a systemic drug, with a topical you may miss areas that are not visibly thinning, but still susceptible to MPB. So do both.

[Dan26]

Keep in mind, serum DHT is dropping because Scalp DHT is dropping. Serum DHT is spillover DHT from the organs, so even if you have a local inhibitor of DHT, there should still be declines in serum as less is going into bloodstream.

You should try out topical fin in ethanol, don't just judge it by serum DHT levels. Try out a little bit and see what happens I guess.

Good idea/point KO. I am already using RU so electing to go oral with the low dose fin. And I got CB on the way lol. Problem for me is applying to my entire NW6 area with only RU/CB is hard and damn expensive. Lowering DHT systemically will be nice boost so I wont have to go ham on my dome topically.

[Dan26]

Desmond am I missing something? Why were you dissolving 0.5 in ethanol? Could you just split the pill with a cutter and swallow it?

Jcm he was talking about 0.05mg. And Desmond, I believe it is soluble in lower level alcohols. Dissolving in something like vodka may even work. My plan was to dissolve 2-3mg, make a .1% solution, and injest 0.5ml.

[Jcm800]

Desmond am I missing something? Why were you dissolving 0.5 in ethanol? Could you just split the pill with a cutter and swallow it?

[KO1]

Keep in mind, serum DHT is dropping because Scalp DHT is dropping. Serum DHT is spillover DHT from the organs, so even if you have a local inhibitor of DHT, there should still be declines in serum as less is going into bloodstream.

You should try out topical fin in ethanol, don't just judge it by serum DHT levels. Try out a little bit and see what happens I guess.

[Desmond84]

Hey Desmond I know there is not much anecdotal evidence for 0.05mg/day finasteride, and no clinical evidence either (in terms of hair count, as opposed to 0.2mg which was included in clinical trials), but did you ever consider it? Scalp DHT is decreased by almost he same amount, and serum DHT 20% higher on it, according to this study,. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495374

A bit counter intuitive, and doesn't really make sense to me tbh...but that's what the study claims!

Actually I tried the 0.05mg/day very early on! The trouble is Finasteride is NOT water-soluble and you have to dissolve it in Ethanol! I started getting the sides immediately which meant that it was working but the ethanol in it was also giving me indigestion and I've never suffered from indigestion before albeit I'm not a heavy drinker!

So yeah, I guess you can try it! 0.05mg every 3 days should still save your hair guaranteed and those studies you posted definitely confirm it! I used the same studies to come up with 0.25mg TWICE A WEEK

Let me know if you need help calculating the dose and amount of ethanol.

Good luck!

Desmond, with the seemingly depressing Aderans news, I've decided to try propecia one more time after experiencing terrible sides the first time around 6 months ago.

I too had that dull pain in the tip of my penis at low doses (.25mg eod)

Now I have started taking about .1mg-.2mg every other day to every 3 days depending on how my body is feeling..hopefully I can do this for awhile and let my body get used to the drug.

I'm also going to have PRP + Acell done in the next month. I'll keep you guys updated on my sides and hair with lose dose propecia as well as the PRP + Acell.

Hey FTL

Yeah man...that's exactly how I started, the first few months I was taking 0.25mg/week at some points and hairs still OK! Don't rush it! All this pain is from your prostate slightly shrinking in size...the slower you proceed with Fin dosing the less the sides!

Take it easy with dosing and increase slowly!

Also Desmond, I know you are upset about the study of the topical finasteride..because the serum dht was dropped by the same amount so their would be side effects, but the scalp dht was dropped by roughly 20% more...so it could be very interesting to experiment with topical fin at lower levels...it would make sense that you could find a level that you have no sides but yet your hair is saved...because even with low oral fin dosages we can find this level...just a thought.

Yeah I noticed that! But I don't know if you realised but if you use 2mL on your scalp you just applied 5mg of Finasteride! It's very high strength, hence the rapid drop in plasma DHT and massive drop in scalp DHT!

If you suffer from sides, the topical formula might even give you worse sides! I think just start by taking 0.25mg ONCE A WEEK orally for 1 month...see how you feel, then slowly increase! This is what I learned the hard way

And how horrible is this news about Aderans!!! I'm still in disbelief...I'm pretty sure they wont be releasing any public statements either...they'll try and kill their ARI program quietly without anyone noticing! No one wants to advertise spending $100 million for 11 years and completely failing to produce anything worthwhile! It just wont look good both for their image and the stock market <SIGH>

[FearTheLoss]

Also Desmond, I know you are upset about the study of the topical finasteride..because the serum dht was dropped by the same amount so their would be side effects, but the scalp dht was dropped my roughly 20% more...so it could be very interesting to experiment with topical fin at lower levels...it would make sense that you could find a level that you have no sides but yet your hair is saved...because even with low oral fin dosages we can find this level...just a thought.

[FearTheLoss]

Desmond, with the seemingly depressing Aderans news, I've decided to try propecia one more time after experiencing terrible sides the first time around 6 months ago.

I too had that dull pain in the tip of my penis at low doses (.25mg eod)

Now I have started taking about .1mg-.2mg every other day to every 3 days depending on how my body is feeling..hopefully I can do this for awhile and let my body get used to the drug.

I'm also going to have PRP + Acell done in the next month. I'll keep you guys updated on my sides and hair with lose dose propecia as well as the PRP + Acell.