How many grafts would i need ?

[greatjob!]

Oh and Tracy, you just sound like a typical know-it-all and great job is just a jerk that likes to criticize anyone who thinks differently than him. Keep your unhealthy comments to yourself.

You still didn't answer my question Mr. "scientist." You say mpb is caused by all the hormones and chemicals we pump into our food supply, if that were true it would mean that mpb would only be a modern disorder, which it is clearly not. How do you explain the millions of men who were balding before we stated the practice of supplementing our food supply with hormones and chemicals?
Short answer is you can’t because there is no correlation between the two.

Secondly, little is truly known about autism, but what we do know is that there is a positive correlation between age of the mother and the likely hood of her conceiving an autistic baby. Meaning the older the mother the greater the chance of her child being born with autism. It is thought that this is a result of a mother's finite eggs degrading over time due to factors of oxidation and free radicals. When the eggs do break down the cells try to repair them and this is where mutations can occur during DNA translation and RNA transcription. To my knowledge they have not currently identified any mutations related to Autism but they very well could have, as I haven't read up on it much lately.

Anyways, all of the above goes to show you why autism is high in the western world and lower in previous centuries. Previously women conceived at a very young age which would significantly lower their chances of having an autistic baby. Women today generally have children much later in the life, thus increasing the chances of autism in their offspring. I don't know there probably are some environmental factors that affect autism, but to say it is not genetics at all and it is solely because of immunizations is a false and reckless statement rooted in baseless science

[Jimmyhair]

First of all I can use your exact reasoning to disprove what you think the answers are also. Why do you believe that in previous centuries they had the same amount of baldness we have now? Are you 450 years old? Oh wait you were watching a movie made about an era like the middle ages and because the actors were bald that means people in 1400 AD were bald right? Hahaha what a joke. What would you know about baldness in previous centuries? We have evidence that people long ago had certain health problems because there is a record of them trying to cure these things. There is a record of the Romans making contraceptive devices because they wanted to stop pregnancy. There is a record of the Egyptians doing surgeries obviously because they had organ problems. There is a record of people in the 1700's making elixirs for many things and making wooden teeth for dental issues. However there isn't very much seen about cures for baldness in past centuries. I wonder why. How old are you? I am 45 and in just that time I have seen a huge increase, as I said before, in baldness. It is happening right in front of my eyes and I would think that is the ultimate proof. When I was a young man I did not know a single bald guy except one man in my moms church who was 70 years old. My father had 8 brothers and got married late in life and was old enough to be my grandfather. He was 20 yrs. older than my mother. I was around many men ages 20 to 80 during my life and baldness was very rare. When my father died at age 90 he had as much hair on his head as I do now. None of my uncles were bald and just thinned a little bit over time. All my friends dads had a good amount of hair on there head and nobody shaved their head because of male pattern baldness which is a modern phenomenon. If you don't think MPB is increasing then there is nothing I can say to you. It would be like talking to a person who insists the temperature is the same in the winter as it is in the summer. What do you say to a person like that. My best friend shaves his head completely because he started getting severe MPB in his early 30's. His father and grandfathers on both sides of the family still have a full head of hair. In the past NOBODY went bald in their 20's and 30's like men do today. NOBODY. Hair is just like anything else on your body. It is a living growing thing that depends on the health of your body. How could you not understand that? Do you think that no matter what you put in your mouth your health results will be the same? Really? Eating a plate of broccoli is the same as eating a big mac? It sounds as if you are one of those people. Look in the mirror at your body. It is a biological machine that runs on many different living things like vitamins, minerals, enzymes, bacteria, and probably a lot of other things we haven't discovered yet. What you put in your mouth is the single greatest influence on your health by a large margin period. Again if you don't understand that there is nothing I can say to you. Why would you think it is impossible to believe what you eat can effect your hair? It affect your nails right? It effects all the aspects of your body right? Eat nothing but hamburgers for breakfast lunch and dinner starting right now for the rest of your life and lets see how long you live. Start eating carrots, peas, beans, and lettuce until your stomach is as full as it can be. Now did you drop over dead from an overdose? Of course not. Now take any prescription medication that you believe is good for you and cures illnesses and eat a plate full of it. What happens? You slip into a coma and die thats what happens. Why? Because it is a toxin thats why. What makes you think a small dose will not affect you negatively just because you don't die right away? Would you put a drop of gasoline in your orange juice just because it wouldn't kill you? You have a lot to learn. Why would you go to a doctor for your body's health when doctors die of cancer and heart disease all the time? Would you hire a plummer to fix your pipes if he had a house with all kinds of water leaks? If your next door neighbor was a mechanic who had a car that broke down every day would you hire him to fix yours? Health is the only aspect of our lives where we turn to people that have all kinds of problems in health to help us fix ours. LMAO. As far as the autism thing goes I think I answered your modern day answer already. It is already proven that people are NOT born with it. At least 99% of them are not born with it. It is a brain injury that takes place between the ages of 1 and 3. If it is not vaccines then you explain it. However do not come to me with ages of women and bad eggs and all that nonsense. You do not have an autistic child and millions of women have testified that their child BECAME autistic after a year or so of life and within a month or two of having certain vaccines. There have already been court cases in the US for vaccine injuries that caused autism. A little secret that the general public does not know about. There are funds set up to pay families for vaccine injuries in kind of the same way the tobacco companies are paying people that die of lung cancer. Autism is a condition that takes place after a brain injury. Yes it is probably possible to get a very similar brain injury and a similar response like autism without a vaccine as it may be caused by some other factor but the overwhelming majority, probably 95% are being caused by vaccines. Why don't you go to a website called "thedoctorwithin" and read up on the sanctity of human blood. Our blood was designed to be pure and untouched by anything. It runs through all our veins and effects every organ. To think you can run a chemical through your blood and through every organ and there will be no negative effect is stupid. Your car is designed to run on gasoline, would you pour olive oil in your gas tank and expect your car to run perfectly? The Doctor on that site is a modern doctor that has more PHD's than anyone you know. He is not a pseudo scientist. He is not selling lucky charms. He was not afraid to look into the truth of human health and the importance of what goes into the body. You and others who dismiss this do so for a reason. You just don't want to believe the truth because it scares you. You want to justify yourself. You want to justify the modern medical establishment you have put your faith in. You want to protect your way of life. You don't want to admit we as a society are doing something wrong. There is no need to keep arguing about this subject because you obviously do not have all the facts, you have a predetermined agenda, you ignore glaring evidence, and I am years past your way of thinking. When you progress forward in a positive way you don't turn back to your own vomit.

[25 going on 65]

Dude. You are still posting a lot of claims with no evidence to back them up.
Your basis for the increase in MPB is what you saw in your family members growing up? And you seriously think no one used to go bald in their 20's and 30's?

I don't agree with the tone some posters have used on you but I understand their frustration. This is tinfoil hat stuff at its finest, but some people are going to read it and believe it. And then go bald wasting their time with saw palmetto.

PS- having a lot of education doesn't keep someone from believing in crazy stuff, RE: the doctor and his website. That's why some biological scientists are still avowed creationists... scientists DO push pseudoscience. Homo sapiens are a funny animal.

[Jimmyhair]

25 going on 65 what you simply don't get is all of your beliefs are based on nothing. Did you see any scientific results yourself or did you listen to a news report on tv? What kind of proof do you think you have? On what? What exactly are you speaking about? Autism or hair loss? If it is autism I will smoke you. You think because people come on your tv and tell you they have scientific results that it means its true. What I am trying to say and the basis behind everything I have posted is that the regular medical establishment misleads the public all the time for many different reasons, the first being money. If you are coming to me saying your proof is what you heard from the main medical establishment then what I am saying is it is not proof to me. You think your government has never lied to you? Really? OMG. You also believe that modern science has the real answers? My whole point is that there is plenty of evidence right in front of us that shows they don't have the answers. I find it hard to believe that you or anyone else would disagree with the main purpose behind what I wrote. That is that the single most important factor in our health is what you put into your body. Now please tell me do you agree or disagree with that statement?

[greatjob!]

WOW!! Where do I start?? There is so much wrong with your posts it's kind of sad to know there are still people this ignorant in our country. Even at 45 it is clearly evident that you have a very remedial grasp of genetics, history, and science in general. You use a few personal experiences and flawed correlations to make broad sweeping generalizations about things you obviously know nothing about!!

When I was a young man I did not know a single bald guy except one man in my moms church who was 70 years old. My father had 8 brothers and got married late in life and was old enough to be my grandfather. He was 20 yrs. older than my mother. I was around many men ages 20 to 80 during my life and baldness was very rare

Oh well ok some jack wagon from conspiracy theory, USA only knew one guy that was bald when he was young, so that must mean baldness is a new disorder. The fact is baldness is an ancient problem. We have 4000 yr. old papyrus from Ancient Egypt describing how to apply animal fats to the scalp to treat baldness (hold on let me guess Merck and the pharmaceutical companies invented a time machine went back to ancient Egypt in order to forge these writings all in a ploy to keep selling a drug that has been a colossal failure from industry standards).

Even in the bible baldness is mentioned:

Kings 2: 23

23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.


Not only has genetic hair loss been around for millennia, it’s not even confined to the human species. Many primates experience baldness, in fact stump-tailed macaques are used to test many hair loss treatments.

The assumptions I find most amusing however, are the ones you make about me. I'm a grad student at Arizona State University studying Biochemistry. In fact I want to go more in-depth with you on genetics, baldness, and autism, but I am sitting in a biotech lecture class right now listening to my professor talk about DNA transformation (or as you may refer to it, "sorcery"). It's early in the semester so most of what he is talking about is review, and when I read your post I had to post some sort of a reply. Maybe when I get home I will further engage you in a game of wits, for which you are clearly not prepared. I would be willing to bet my life on the fact that I know more about the inner workings of human biology than you or any one you know. This includes that crack pot you referenced Tim O’Shea DC from the "thedoctorwithin". The guy is a F*CKING chiropractor that charges $175 per hr. for a consultation, and you want to talk about a "predetermined agenda" or money motivated, haha you’re a joke!!! I go to a chiropractor myself but he only charges me $10 and doesn't tell me that flu shots are going to kill me, lol. (On a side note, Jimmyhair, I’m a Nigerian prince and want to give you 20 million dollars; I just need your bank acct and routing number so I can the transfer the money to you).

You also referenced my diet and big macs, which is funny because I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've eaten fast food. We can at least agree fast food is bad I guess. I actually count every calorie and substance that I consume and consume them at optimal times in order to maximize the efficiency of my body. I would defiantly be considered a health nut who consumes mostly home grown organic foods, so by your logic I shouldn’t even be on this website because I shouldn’t be balding.

Cliff notes of this post are you are an idiot who makes grandiose claims and sweeping assumptions based on crap. You've made some assumptions about me; now let me make some about you. You identify with the tea party. You believe President Obama to be a Muslim, Kenyan, socialist, communist who is secretly trying to destroy America. You don't believe in climate change or evolution, and you believe the rich, white, Christian people in America are being persecuted. Either that or you are a new age freak show who believes crystals and magnets will solve all your problems. How was that? Was I fairly accurate?

Please leave this forum and go troll infowars.com

[PatientlyWaiting]

Buddy , you are already buzzing your head
As much as you might not like it , just keep it that way .
IMO it looks good
There's no way you are going to grow more hair no matter what pills, potions, lotions and electrical devices you use.......again IMO
You can take a pill for the rest of your life and it may halt further hair loss but then you may encounter the sexual side effects that soem of us got
You've done what some people consider the hard part and that was buzzing your head .
Now just move on and don't even think about a HT .

Unless you are just kidding, this is a horrible advice.

[DAVE52]

Why is it horrible advice ?
I think the buzzed head suits him
I Suggested if he's comfortable with it don't do anything

[25 going on 65]

25 going on 65 what you simply don't get is all of your beliefs are based on nothing. Did you see any scientific results yourself or did you listen to a news report on tv? What kind of proof do you think you have? On what? What exactly are you speaking about? Autism or hair loss? If it is autism I will smoke you. You think because people come on your tv and tell you they have scientific results that it means its true. What I am trying to say and the basis behind everything I have posted is that the regular medical establishment misleads the public all the time for many different reasons, the first being money. If you are coming to me saying your proof is what you heard from the main medical establishment then what I am saying is it is not proof to me. You think your government has never lied to you? Really? OMG. You also believe that modern science has the real answers? My whole point is that there is plenty of evidence right in front of us that shows they don't have the answers. I find it hard to believe that you or anyone else would disagree with the main purpose behind what I wrote. That is that the single most important factor in our health is what you put into your body. Now please tell me do you agree or disagree with that statement?

All conspiracy theories about the "medical establishment" are meaningless once you accept that:
1. There is no singular medical establishment. This industry consists of different business interests competing with each other. Kind of like the herbal supplement industry.
2. These studies can be reviewed by anyone. You don't need to take anyone's word; you can research the data yourself.

The important thing is to understand the scientific method and how you can use it to perform research and make decisions.

And, is the single most important factor in health what we put in our bodies? It depends. A spontaneous mutation in your DNA that gives you Leukemia, and kills you, is not a result of what you put in your body. Leukemia risk can be increased by environmental factors, but it can also be spontaneous - and yes, some people are genetically susceptible to this happening. Like my family member who died in his teens.
Sorry, genetic predisposition is a reality.

To answer another question: yes, I have a basis for my approach to hair loss, because I - like you - have a body of scientific evidence that is available to study. It's the reason I'm using finasteride and ketoconazole instead of saw palmetto and emu oil. Because, putting aside all doc opinions, the data is there for my treatments - and not for yours. Even if every doctor said "finasteride won't work," I'd know better because I have peer-reviewed and reproduced evidence right in front of me.

Believe me when I say I'm not your adversary. I want all balding men to know their options for treatment, including you. All I'm trying to say is that you're on track for a NW6 if you don't start accepting the facts at hand.
Let me ask you this: If you use your regimen for 1-2 years and at that point are balder than ever, will you be convinced? Or is there no amount of evidence that could change your opinion?

[Jimmyhair]

Well Greatjob you missed on every one of those comments ate the end of your rant, so sorry if you are bad with assumptions. As far as the other stuff lets see if I can get to each one. My points are simple. Just because you go to school for genetics or biology doesn't mean you are wise or know anything about how the human body works. That is the whole point, so giving me your resume in modern science is not helping your argument. Many biologists have readily admitted in the past 10 years that as they discover more about the body it seems to be getting more complicated, and if modern science was a good thing then we would all be disease free, yet for some crazy reason the more you learn at school the faster diseases are growing in America. Can you explain that? Of course you can't but you will come up with something I'm sure.

For centuries the greatest scientific minds of the day have claimed to have the answers and cures, only for us to find later they were not. Yes modern pharmaceuticals is sorcery. Many people, especially bible believers don't realize that the teaching against sorcery was a teaching against men in little white lab coats making little pills to cure us. They don't work. The greek word Pharmicia, meaning magic potions, was translated to the english word sorcery. Men have been making magic potions for centuries and they are a total failure. I am sure many Christians and other religious people have total faith in their doctor and modern medicine. Just because they now where a lab coat and look through a microscope doesn't mean they aren't still mixing rat hairs and donkey dung to cure a stomach ache.

As far as your comments about the doctor on that website being a nut I am sure that he may feel the same way about you. He has been to medical school and received all the same teachings I am sure that you are going through. What he charges for his services is not what I am judging. Are you saying that you do not agree that human blood is better off without toxins in it? Instead of giving me your resume and calling me a nut answer some simple questions for me.

Do you believe that human blood runs through all of our organs? Do you believe if you place something foreign in your blood that it will have an effect on your organs and overall health? Do you believe that medications are toxic? Do you believe that daily use of pain killers will give you liver disease? Do you believe that vaccines have toxic ingredients? Do you believe that you know how every molecule in the human body works? Do you believe that humans are very similar to other animals on this planet biologically? Do you believe that other animals get diseases through their genetic structure when they are out of man's reach? Do you believe an aspirin takes away your headache because it cured the reason for the headache or because it deaden your nerve so you would not feel the pain?

Give me some answers to those questions professor instead of telling what grades you got in school.

[Jimmyhair]

Well 25 going on 65 I will say to you that I am not claiming to have every answer because obviously nobody does. I also had an uncle that died of leukemia. I am not sure about the instant dna conversion thing you speak about but to say doctors know this is a thing that may happen and that it is destiny NO MATTER WHAT, would be something I disagree with.

Are there babies born addicted to cocaine because the mother used it? Yes of course. I firmly believe in the ancient scripture that says "obey the ways of the Lord or you will see punishment unto the third and fourth generation." I believe that maybe as humans we have screwed up so badly over time that all kinds of crazy things have happened and we may be more suseptiple to things based on our genetics. However I don't believe that it is a destiny we can't correct.

There are people who have had autistic children and cured them with a special natural diet. It has been documented and I would suggest people like greatjob go personally to their house and call them a liar to their face. If you don't think that the FDA would like to squash things like that you must be naive.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I believe Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald only and that the guy that shot Oswald was just a nut and not paid by the mob, so hopefully that will be a slice of evidence in my behalf. I just know the power of money and what it will make people do.

There are tons of situations already proven where companies have covered up evidence and changed reports to hide something they didn't want the public to know. Remember the movie Fugitive with Harrison Ford where the one doctor tampered with case studies? You think its impossible for something similar to happen? I am not saying we should not rely on research because obviously we need it, but a lot of research is twisted because it is not perfect. For one, dropping human cells into a petri dish with some chemicals will not always tell you how the complicated human body will react to a pill.

All I have said on this thread is that the present answers for hair loss in the medical establishment like propecia is not for everyone. Their physical health may be more important to them and I believe when others say here that there are no side effects from it they are making a statement they cannot back up. It may be found in the coming years that there are side effects that are serious. For one, it does lower your libido, so maybe a guy would rather have fun banging his wife every night than having a few extra hairs. I mean first of all the proponents of these drugs will be the first to tell you that the results are minimal and it's not like a forest bursts out of you head.

There are case studies showing hair growth is increased with vitamins in the B category and minerals like iron, silica, and zinc so basically telling people there are natural answers out there to look at is not a bad idea. Let people do their own research and make their own determination. I can tell you personally that up until a few years ago I had a very slow thinning going on probably from the age of 25 till 40. It was then that I started taking saw palmetto supplements and in the last few years my hair has remained the same. That is until I had my HT 2 months ago and seem to have suffered a very mild case of shock fallout as it seems to have thinned just a tiny bit across my entire top. It was very minimal but seems to have stopped now. So the test continues as I wait for the new hair to hopefully grow and my experiment with saw palmetto, vitamins, and apple cider shampoo to verify my beliefs.

[Jimmyhair]

Oh and mr greatjob, I didn't say baldness never existed at all in ancient times, I said it is increasing. Just as I am sure people got cancer in ancient times but it is presently increasing in America and there are tons of facts to show that. Have you ever had a math class in your great college career? Pull out an equation that shows us a demographic of 300 million people where all types of cancer have moved from 3% to 45% in 100 years through genetics. a generation is anywhere from 20 to 40 years and any mathematician will tell you genetic mutation and multiplication cannot move that fast. Show me a pair of healthy chinese twins that live in a rural part of china with a family that farms rice and one moves to the US while one stays home. The one that moves here lives on Mcdonalds every day. I will show you a healthy person growing up in China that never has any issues while the other here dies of heart disease. Is that in the genes???

[Jimmyhair]

If there is anyone here that wants info on Autism because they may have someone they know with this condition and you haven't been scared away by the so called experts with their magic pills you can get great info from sites that tell the stories of thousands of people having great success with natural cures. Here are some samples but I encourage you to look further. A book by Donna Gates called the "Body Ecology Diet". A book by Karyn Seroussi called "Unraveling the Mystery of Autism". A special diet called the "Gaps Diet" by Dr. Natasha Mcbride, a neurologist. Yes there are doctors that understand cure comes from diet and not a magic pill. "Magnesium and Autism", by Dr. Mark Sircius.

Here is a sample of some of the things you may learn when you listen to real researchers who are really knees deep into Autism and really want to find the truth instead of trying to cover up the vaccine connection to save their butts.

[[[Beware of Systemic Fungal Infection Combined With Vaccinations

A baby's blood-brain barrier isn't formed until 6 weeks after birth. Before the blood-brain barrier is formed, there is potential for fungus and viral infections to enter your baby's brain.

While more research needs to be done, our theory is that an anti-fungal diet like the Body Ecology diet is critical to protecting babies from fungal infections.

Many children appear to be relatively normal upon birth. They may have problems with things like constipation -- until they get the MMR vaccination around 18 months. Based on my research, I believe that upon inoculation with these three live viruses, the mumps portion causes the blood-brain barrier to open. We know this because when a child becomes infected with the mumps virus, his blood pressure elevates. Research shows that the blood-brain barrier opens with elevated blood pressure. Your doctor may not know this, since it is not taught in medical school. Swollen lymph glands in the neck and high blood pressure are symptoms of mumps infection -- and because the child has an underdeveloped immune system, instead of building antibodies to the live viruses in this vaccination, he becomes infected by the vaccination.

While a child is supposed to develop immunity, the immune system is not in place due to the existing fungal infection. The child has no ability to resist the assault from 3 live viruses: measles, mumps and rubella (measles has been found on the gut wall by Dr. Andrew Wakefield). The child is not the same and shows signs of infection in the brain. He begins to regress in language development and social behaviors.

We believe that the systemic fungal infection (that was unknowingly passed to millions of newborn babies) can not only secrete dangerous toxins, but also pass through the open blood-brain barrier. The child then becomes infected with candidial meningitis or viral meningitis. It's very important that this theory be researched as quickly as possible. If it has not yet entered the brain, the elevated blood pressure allows it to enter through the blood-brain barrier.

Based on what I've seen in my BEDROK program, (Body Ecology Diet Recovering Our Kids) our theory makes much more sense than autism as a genetic condition. This can empower parents to make changes that will benefit themselves and their children.]]]


You can find quality information from people who have finished medical school and went into private practice and private research and then continued looking for real answers and real truth when the answers didn't come from medical school. As a matter of fact if you do your research you will find that there are literally hundreds of doctors with many PHD's that realize Autism is NOT genetic. Or you can listen to guys like greatjob still trying to finish school at know-it-all university.

[Jimmyhair]

Hopefully we can end debate on autism since this is a forum on hair loss, so I am done going back and forth with people who know nothing except what they hear on tv and what they read in their paper, all of which is info based on what the FDA says anyway. Many people don't know that when they say there are no clinical studies done on natural cures they are dead wrong. That also is info they are getting from the FDA. Believe it or not the FDA, the food and drug administration, does not do any studies themselves on natural cures and that is why they say there are no studies on it. They should be called the DA for drug administration because they don't actually study the effects of food at all. However there are many organizations that do clinical studies on herbs and food and natural cures and there is a ton of info out there on these studies if you look. Saw palmetto has been studied extensively in Europe and is used for treatment in prostrate problems because it has been proven to block DHT which means it will help in hair loss also since DHT seems to be the cause of that too. I will be starting a new thread on natural treatments for hair loss in the coming weeks with as much info as I can get, along with the sources and studies that back up the info for the people that are open to it.

[Tracy C]

Why is it horrible advice ?
I think the buzzed head suits him
I Suggested if he's comfortable with it don't do anything

Just an observation. But if he is comfortable with his hair loss, why would he be here?

[DAVE52]

Just an observation. But if he is comfortable with his hair loss, why would he be here?

If he is " comfortable " with it ...I don't know why he is here .

If he's uncomfortable with it then I understand why . The same reason we all are .

I'm just offering him some free advice . He already buzzes his head and looks good . Don't go down the HT route and do something he may not like later on in life and never be able to reverse .