The Ironman Procedure

[Arashi]

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Now, let's make it the worst case scenario and assume Iron_Man had a 3:1 ratio of successful to unsuccessful extractions. Then a 90% regeneration rate would correspond with 70% regeneration for the successful extractions. You can change the ratio and follow the pattern.

Worst case scenario would of course not be 90% regeneration but 80%. But even if you went with 90% regeneration: 4000 hairs extracted, 1000 succesful, 3600 regenerated, means 600 out of 1000 is only 60%. And that's at the 90% rate, at 80% rate it's a lot worse (20% real generation)

[534623]

He's already posted the initial photos though, stupidly I didn't download them. jjrs have you got the originals which you edited with a marked zone?

In fact, a few hours ago, I deleted everything - I mean EVERYTHING, not just my own photos.
Even if someone has downloaded a few photos/pics - U S E L E S S.

I mean, can't you guys read?

I'm sure he has regrowth by now, otherwise i would be really worried. But without knowing the amount of drilled extractions, what does it mean ?

Right, what does it mean. That's the point. Again, I have just HST beamed back in the stone age - was pretty easy and fast. So where is the proof for anything? I don't know. I mean, seriously, what part of this ...

To the annoying skeptics;

If I were to get Gho's HST procedure, what the f**k makes any of you think i'd shave my head just to satisfy you losers when I've spent thousands of dollars to ENJOY having hair?

Quit bitching, shut up and get the procedure yourself if your that desperate for an answer that satisfies your curiosity.

... don't you really annoying losers understand?

[Arashi]

I went over the value of doing an analysis in this post and this post.

To summarize, if IM had a 1:1 ratio of successful to unsuccessful extractions, a 90% regeneration rate would correspond with 80% regeneration for the successful extractions, assuming all unsuccessful extractions regenerate in the donor.

I'll add another example to make it more clear. Let's go a step worse and say Iron_Man had a 2:1 ratio of successful to unsuccessful extractions. Then a 90% regeneration rate would correspond with 70% regeneration for the successful extractions.

Now, let's make it the worst case scenario and assume Iron_Man had a 3:1 ratio of successful to unsuccessful extractions. Then a 90% regeneration rate would correspond with 60% regeneration for the successful extractions. You can change the ratio and follow the pattern.

In my opinion, from the pictures IM has provided of his donor and the petri dish, it's pretty clear that he didn't have more than 2800 drills. Even if he did, the results of the hair count are still very valueable because no other procedure offers anything better then 0% regeneration. Proving hair multiplication is a huge thing! This is the first time in human history something like that is happening. So far gc83uk was the only person who did a hair count, so this is very worthwhile.

Now, we won't know exactly the regeneration rate, but we'll still get a general idea. I don't think it's fair to ask IM to take pictures of his whole donor. Maybe a few different spots but it's hard enough taking nice, consistent photos of just one area and not the entire hear. People will also want to see the recipient and a hair count there. And then possible the before picture so the requests can become very unreasonable.

My point is, Schweinhund has all the data to present a REAL STRONG case. But he's not willing to do that and keeps important data out of his case. That's just a big shame in my opinion.

[Arashi]

In fact, a few hours ago, I deleted everything - I mean EVERYTHING, not just my own photos.

Please don't delete your own account. It would get boring in here if I can't insult your ugly head anymore.

[gc83uk]

In fact, a few hours ago, I deleted everything - I mean EVERYTHING, not just my own photos.
Even if someone has downloaded a few photos/pics - U S E L E S S.

I mean, can't you guys read?


Right, what does it mean. That's the point. Again, I have just HST beamed back in the stone age - was pretty easy and fast. So where is the proof for anything? I don't know. I mean, seriously, what part of this ...


... don't you really annoying losers understand?

WTF, quit being a girl.

Just because you and Arashi haven't seen eye to eye, why have you got to throw all your toys out of the pram?

After all the photos you've asked me to do, which I did. Don't be so sensitive man.

[JJJJrS]

This is ridiculous.

IM, please reconsider and continue to post your pictures. I've saved your original photos so there's nothing lost.

IM I also think you know very well that some people would be very happy if you don't post your pictures and document your procedure. Please don't let them succeed and discourage you from posting your pictures. Thousands of people are interested and it would be a great service to all of us.

Arashi do you really have to continue arguing with IM? I know you two can't get along but can you please, at least out of respect for the other forum posters on here, not argue in this thread?

[Arashi]

Arashi do you really have to continue arguing with IM? I know you two can't get along but can you please, at least out of respect for the other forum posters on here, not argue in this thread?

Don't know about that. It's just a lot of fun with this freak.

[Arashi]

Besides, if he doesn't want to post all data, what's the use ? Like in my example, even 80% regrowth might mean only 20% real regrowth.

[gc83uk]

This is ridiculous.

IM, please reconsider and continue to post your pictures. I've saved your original photos so there's nothing lost.

IM I also think you know very well that some people would be very happy if you don't post your pictures and document your procedure. Please don't let them succeed and discourage you from posting your pictures. Thousands of people are interested and it would be a great service to all of us.

Arashi do you really have to continue arguing with IM? I know you two can't get along but can you please, at least out of respect for the other forum posters on here, not argue in this thread?

I have to second this. I've got some decent day 5 pics lol for what its worth.

Get your act together mate, your probably just pulling our legs.

[Arashi]

Only if his regrowth number is REALLY high, like 95-100%, then we wouldn't even need to see the actual puncture number. But below 90% the real regrowth number possibly drops very steeply.

[534623]

After all the photos you've asked me to do, which I did. Don't be so sensitive man.

I hereby declare, that we both do NOT work anymore "under 1 hat". That means, I do not need your photos anymore - to fake them thereafter.

Yes, it is true. It wasn't that difficult to paint some hairs (not too much, so that nobody become suspicious) onto all the FUE dots. I wonder myself, why still nobody noticed all this. I must be better than I thought ...

[JJJJrS]

Besides, if he doesn't want to post all data, what's the use ? Like in my example, even 80% regrowth might mean only 20% real regrowth.

That would mean he had 5600 extractions and that's absolutely not the case. Nobody has that many grafts taken in a single day for any FUE procedure. Not even close. And a quick look at his pictures shows what looks like a 1.4k procedure, nothing even remotely close to double or triple that amount.

We haven't even found the regeneration rate either. So why complain before we even established that?

Arashi, there's no reason to behave like this. IM was extremely generous to post so many great pictures. Nobody, other than gc83uk has done anything remotely like that. So out of respect for the other forum posters, please try not to insult him and ignore him.

[Arashi]

That would mean he had 5600 extractions and that's absolutely not the case.

Who's to say ? We just don't know. I know in my case that I heard around 5000-6000 drills. So how would you explain that ? That's by the way exactly the question I just emailed my doctor Kristel today, we'll see what she says.

So out of respect for the other forum posters, please try not to insult him and ignore him.

LOL. Sorry but just can't do that.

[534623]

I hereby declare, that we both do NOT work anymore "under 1 hat". That means, I do not need your photos anymore - to fake them thereafter.

Yes, it is true. It wasn't that difficult to paint some hairs (not too much, so that nobody become suspicious) onto all the FUE dots. I wonder myself, why still nobody noticed all this. I must be better than I thought ...

Oh, I forgot something:
Guess why I recently asked if someone is able to to show me the xy number of a few painted hairs in one of your original photos. lol

[JJJJrS]

I hereby declare, that we both do NOT work anymore "under 1 hat". That means, I do not need your photos anymore - to fake them thereafter.

Yes, it is true. It wasn't that difficult to paint some hairs (not too much, so that nobody become suspicious) onto all the FUE dots. I wonder myself, why still nobody noticed all this. I must be better than I thought ...

Please IM don't be so sensitive. You shouldn't let one person bother you that much.

So far 10 000 people have viewed this thread, and there are a lot of people who are very grateful for the documentation you've provided thus far. In fact, the people who will be most happy from you not posting your results are the rival clinics. Why would you let them succeed then?