The Ironman Procedure

[Arashi]

Of course, maybe they TRY to extract ALL hairs but sometimes just fail. Who knows, maybe it was the work of the assisant in whom I don't have much faith left anyway ...

[534623]

there are 2 clickers, one count TOTAL number of extractions and the other one is for grafts that are actually tweezed, successfull ones...the difference is 'failed extractons'..

Bravo! He learns fast, sometimes even the correct shit - because this is CORRECT - at least almost, because they "tweeze" even the unsuccessful grafts - because without plucking them out, they wouldn't know it is an unsuccessful graft. If you don't pluck out all your girlfriend's ... ah... forget it.

[didi]

if they do pluck out unsuccessfull extractions then arashi n c5000 would have quite a few grafts taken out, Gho prbbly run out of petri dishes...thts lot of wounds to heal

[Arashi]

if they do pluck out unsuccessfull extractions then arashi n c5000 would have quite a few grafts taken out, Gho prbbly run out of petri dishes...thts lot of wounds to heal

I think Schweinhund means that they're removing *HAIR* out of the unsuccesful extraction. It wouldn't make sense to go back in an remove part of the graft. The bigger part of the follicle is left, the easier it regrows.

[534623]

I think Schweinhund means that they're removing *HAIR* out of the unsuccesful extraction.

Sorry, but at least I know the difference between "hair" and follicle(tissue).

[c5000]

if they do pluck out unsuccessfull extractions then arashi n c5000 would have quite a few grafts taken out, Gho prbbly run out of petri dishes...thts lot of wounds to heal

that is a lot of wounds, which explains why they took grafts from so high in my donor, seemed to be well outside of the "safe zone"

[534623]

if they do pluck out unsuccessfull extractions then arashi n c5000 would have quite a few grafts taken out, Gho prbbly run out of petri dishes...thts lot of wounds to heal

Right. And what extractly told Dr. Gho in the 1st interview Spencer Kobren concerning what's the MAXIMUM of HOLES they make and WHY it's not advisable to make more holes?

What the drug addict is trying to pretend since weeks on at least on 3 hair loss forums and with hundreds of useless posts, is, that Kristel, "his doctor" made far more than 3200 holes on the back of his head, to get the 1600 HST grafts for his ugly recipient area. And now we want to know, whether or not Kristel indeed did it. That's the point.
But the drug addict from Holland, is simply UNABLE to ask her this simple question. No way! I, or you should know this - for him. Sure.

[Arashi]

Right. And what extractly told Dr. Gho in the 1st interview Spencer Kobren concerning what's the MAXIMUM of HOLES they make and WHY it's not advisable to make more holes?

What the drug addict is trying to pretend since weeks on at least 3 hair loss forums and with hundreds of useless posts, is, that Kristel, "his doctor" made far more than 3200 holes on the back of his head, to get the 1600 HST grafts for his ugly recipient area. And now we want to know, whether or not Kristel indeed did it. That's the point.
But the drug addict from Holland, is simply UNABLE to ask her this simple question. No way! I, or you should know this - for him. Sure.

GC83UK has sent her an email, because you didn't believe me last them when I quoted her answer, so why would you believe me this time. Something got so badly wired inside your head that you have a lot of difficulties to think straight. I think this is the legacy of massive amfetamine injections among German soldiers during WW2.

[Arashi]

BTW, Schweinhund, just out of curiosity: you mentioned you were planning to visit the red light district. Did you finally lose your virginity at age 45 ? I'd be so happy for you. Really, you deserve it.

[Arashi]

Right. And what extractly told Dr. Gho in the 1st interview Spencer Kobren concerning what's the MAXIMUM of HOLES they make and WHY it's not advisable to make more holes?

What the drug addict is trying to pretend since weeks on at least on 3 hair loss forums and with hundreds of useless posts, is, that Kristel, "his doctor" made far more than 3200 holes on the back of his head, to get the 1600 HST grafts for his ugly recipient area. And now we want to know, whether or not Kristel indeed did it. That's the point.
But the drug addict from Holland, is simply UNABLE to ask her this simple question. No way! I, or you should know this - for him. Sure.

And I know you just can't get your head around it (try getting it out of your stinking arse for ONCE), but I'm not claiming ANYTHING. I'm just mentioning that I, like everybody else except you, experienced that they drilled a LOT more times than they succesfully extracted grafts. I just want to get to the bottom of this. It is YOU who claims all kind of stuff.

[didi]

1500 holes in donor area would not be too hard to count,

why not do that???

[Arashi]

1500 holes in donor area would not be too hard to count,

why not do that???

Because Schweinhund is too damn stubborn ? It beats me ... It's all I asked for: just post those damn pictures so we can actually COUNT. Then we'd know and we would all live happily ever after But no, instead Mr Schweinhund prefers to not post them so we can actually debate over this for 30 pages ...

[Arashi]

And seriously, unlike Schweinhund seems to think, for me this is not about who's right and who's wrong. I just want to get to the bottom of this and know the facts, that's all.

[534623]

GC83UK has sent her an email, because you didn't believe me last them when I quoted her answer ...

What has her answer to do now with the number of your extraction holes?

Her answer (what was actually YOUR QUESTION for her??) was concerning the REGROWTH SPEED, and why you can sometimes see grafts regrowing ealier than others. THAT is what she told you. And that is - of course - true.

But you always talk now about this issue:
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» Arashi -
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» I saw your spat on the other site with Ironman, so am versed on this 2 to 1
» extraction to success ratio topic. With that said, if you got lets' say
» 1400 grafts in your recepient, are you telling me they made 2500-2800
» extractions in the back of your head? Did your donor look like it had that
» many extractions?

I think a little more than that, since the extraction ratio was a little worse. On the right side of my head, above my right ear, the extraction ratio was a LOT worse, probably around 20:3. BUT this was also the time when the assistant technician briefly took over, so I'm really not sure if it was just the spot and/or the technician. And also I'm not sure this ratio is much different with others. I do know that when the first technician started and the ratio was about 2:1, she did say that the grafts came out easily ...
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And now again, the really good question:
What the hell should someone in this thread, or any other forum, explain you??
Sorry, nobody in this thread or from any other forum was there in your operating room during your procedure. You will find your answers in MAASTRICHT, I guess.

Is here someone who agrees with my opinion?
Nobody?

And what the ****ing hell are you doing here in THIS thread at all?? Other guys like the thread starter want to know FROM ME about MY procedure and how it went - and not how it went for a drug addict from Holland.
What part of this, don't you understand?

[Arashi]

What has her answer to do now with the number of your extraction holes?

Her answer (what was actually YOUR QUESTION for her??) was concerning the REGROWTH SPEED, and why you can sometimes see grafts regrowing ealier than others. THAT is what she told you. And that is - of course - true.

But you always talk now about this issue:
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» Arashi -
»
» I saw your spat on the other site with Ironman, so am versed on this 2 to 1
» extraction to success ratio topic. With that said, if you got lets' say
» 1400 grafts in your recepient, are you telling me they made 2500-2800
» extractions in the back of your head? Did your donor look like it had that
» many extractions?

I think a little more than that, since the extraction ratio was a little worse. On the right side of my head, above my right ear, the extraction ratio was a LOT worse, probably around 20:3. BUT this was also the time when the assistant technician briefly took over, so I'm really not sure if it was just the spot and/or the technician. And also I'm not sure this ratio is much different with others. I do know that when the first technician started and the ratio was about 2:1, she did say that the grafts came out easily ...
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And now again, the really good question:
What the hell should someone in this thread, or any other forum, explain you??
Sorry, nobody in this thread or from any other forum was there in your operating room during your procedure. You will find your answers in MAASTRICHT, I guess.

Is here someone who agrees with my opinion?
Nobody?

Sorry man, but what is your question ?