The Ironman Procedure

[JJJJrS]

I think someone should open a new thread where we discuss the issue of failed extractions/drills and the responses of the doctors at HASCI.

That way this thread can be focused on Iron_Man's procedure and pictures.

[gc83uk]

Arashi, the only thing about the 1,2,3 thing is my case is HSI and they can only do about 700 per day, I don't really want to prolong the procedure or use up time because of Rolf has to separate each grafts of 1,2 and 3.

Last time I asked Rolf if most of my hairs were 1 hair grafts, because I had a consultation I had with HDC used the camera to analyse my donor and HDC told me most of my hairs are 1 and 2 hair grafts, I don't think they could find any 3 hair grafts. My hair is fine, thin and straight.

Rolf confirmed most were actually 2 hair and slightly less 1 hair, I think there was hardly any 3 hair grafts.

If it's no trouble for him then I'll ask him if he can do it for me, we'll see what happens.

[Arashi]

Arashi, the only thing about the 1,2,3 thing is my case is HSI and they can only do about 700 per day, I don't really want to prolong the procedure or use up time because of Rolf has to separate each grafts of 1,2 and 3.

Last time I asked Rolf if most of my hairs were 1 hair grafts, because I had a consultation I had with HDC used the camera to analyse my donor and HDC told me most of my hairs are 1 and 2 hair grafts, I don't think they could find any 3 hair grafts. My hair is fine, thin and straight.

Rolf confirmed most were actually 2 hair and slightly less 1 hair, I think there was hardly any 3 hair grafts.

If it's no trouble for him then I'll ask him if he can do it for me, we'll see what happens.

Ok great. Good luck with your procedure mate.

[gc83uk]

Do we know of anyone else having the procedure done now or early Jan?

If your reading this and not a member yet then please join the discussion!

[JJJJrS]

IM, how are the pictures like today? Is the bandwidth back to normal on your FileDen account?

I think you said you noticed regrowth yesterday. As soon as you post your newest pictures in high-resolution, I'll be able to do a quick analysis and we can compare our results.

[Arashi]

IM, how are the pictures like today? Is the bandwidth back to normal on your FileDen account?

I think you said you noticed regrowth yesterday. As soon as you post your newest pictures in high-resolution, I'll be able to do a quick analysis and we can compare our results.

I'm sure he has regrowth by now, otherwise i would be really worried. But without knowing the amount of drilled extractions, what does it mean ?

[gc83uk]

Iron Man, can you please upload the photos to a new fileden account or just post them in the thread, no big deal in doing that.

I'll go through them all tonight and also do my own analysis if you can put them up.

Thanks

[gc83uk]

I'm sure he has regrowth by now, otherwise i would be really worried. But without knowing the amount of drilled extractions, what does it mean ?

I'll tell you one thing for a fact. If 100% of the extractions in a sample area are showing regrowth, then that'll mean success and failures have shown 100% regeneration in this particular area.

You could argue that one sample area is not enough, but one sample area from each person showing the same results is enough.

[didi]

I think IM said he didnt have failed extractions ,

means he should have around 1500 holes in his donor,

[Arashi]

I think IM said he didnt have failed extractions ,

means he should have around 1500 holes in his donor,

But why then doesn't he want to post proof ? he always tells others to 'show me proof',but he can't show us proof himself ?

[gc83uk]

But why then doesn't he want to post proof ? he always tells others to 'show me proof',but he can't show us proof himself ?

He's already posted the initial photos though, stupidly I didn't download them. jjrs have you got the originals which you edited with a marked zone?

His fileden account has exceeded its bandwidth, so I'm not sure that criticism is fair.

[Arashi]

I'll tell you one thing for a fact. If 100% of the extractions in a sample area are showing regrowth, then that'll mean success and failures have shown 100% regeneration in this particular area.

You could argue that one sample area is not enough, but one sample area from each person showing the same results is enough.

Sure, if he has 100% regeneration in 3 area's, then he won't need to show me any pictures of donor holes. But I'm sure he'll end up in that 80-85% ballpark. And in that case, we'll just have to take his word for it ? For the 1500 holes ? Why even post pictures in the first place then and why not instead just tell us: I have 85% regrowth ? Effectively it's exactly the same thing, because in both cases, we just have to take his word for it.

[JJJJrS]

I'm sure he has regrowth by now, otherwise i would be really worried. But without knowing the amount of drilled extractions, what does it mean ?

I went over the value of doing an analysis in this post and this post.

To summarize, if IM had a 1:1 ratio of successful to unsuccessful extractions, a 90% regeneration rate would correspond with 80% regeneration for the successful extractions, assuming all unsuccessful extractions regenerate in the donor.

I'll add another example to make it more clear. Let's go a step worse and say Iron_Man had a 2:1 ratio of successful to unsuccessful extractions. Then a 90% regeneration rate would correspond with 70% regeneration for the successful extractions.

Now, let's make it the worst case scenario and assume Iron_Man had a 3:1 ratio of successful to unsuccessful extractions. Then a 90% regeneration rate would correspond with 60% regeneration for the successful extractions. You can change the ratio and follow the pattern.

In my opinion, from the pictures IM has provided of his donor and the petri dish, it's pretty clear that he didn't have more than 2800 drills. Even if he did, the results of the hair count are still very valueable because no other procedure offers anything better then 0% regeneration. Proving hair multiplication is a huge thing! This is the first time in human history something like that is happening. So far gc83uk was the only person who did a hair count, so this is very worthwhile.

Now, we won't know exactly the regeneration rate, but we'll still get a general idea. I don't think it's fair to ask IM to take pictures of his whole donor. Maybe a few different spots but it's hard enough taking nice, consistent photos of just one area and not the entire hear. People will also want to see the recipient and a hair count there. And then possible the before picture so the requests can become very unreasonable.

[gc83uk]

Iron Man has all these photos for sure. Iron man could you please upload them somewhere?

It's probably possible to count all of c5000's extractions, have you tried this Arashi? I might have a go now.

[JJJJrS]

He's already posted the initial photos though, stupidly I didn't download them. jjrs have you got the originals which you edited with a marked zone?

His fileden account has exceeded its bandwidth, so I'm not sure that criticism is fair.

I saved them but I haven't marked an area yet. As soon as I get the newest pictures I will though. I'm going to try to count the maximum possible points from the before and after pictures.

I think IM should just create a second account and post them there.