The Ironman Procedure

[didi]

Gc had donor regeneration of 80%+ after a few weeks, its possible that after 9 months regeneration was close to 100%..

3:1 ratio...thats crazy high...is it norm or?

[Arashi]

Gc had donor regeneration of 80%+ after a few weeks, its possible that after 9 months regeneration was close to 100%..

Without knowing anything, sure, anything is possible. It's possible nothing regrew after a few weeks and it's possible everything did. Mere speculation without facts of course.

[Arashi]

Gc had donor regeneration of 80%+ after a few weeks, its possible that after 9 months regeneration was close to 100%..

3:1 ratio...thats crazy high...is it norm or?

Until now, I've seen 2 people who said they had 2:1 ratio (me being one of them) and one person who reported 3:1.

[didi]

ok..

so you are assuming that failed extractions grow back 100%, did hasci confirm this?

i wasnt aware of these so called unsuccessfull extractions till few weeks back, noone talked about it, then someone started talking about it...

How many failed ext did IM have?

[Arashi]

ok..

so you are assuming that failed extractions grow back 100%, did hasci confirm this?

That's what Kristel, my doctor said when I inquired about the failed extractions in the clinic. She told me not to worry since failed extractions always grow back ...

How many failed ext did IM have?

I think Schweinhund still claims failed extractions don't even exist But since he doesn't want to post pictures of all holes in his head, we can assume his ratio wasn't too good either.

[gc83uk]

Let's say your ratio is 3:1 and they extracted 4000 hairs, hence 1000 succesful grafts. That would mean at 85% regrowth, 3400 hairs would grow back, 3000 being the failed extractions, so only 400 succesful extracted follicles, hence a REAL regrowth ratio of only 40%
Of course, still a lot better than FUE, but nowhere as good as thought before ...

GC83UK, can you ask her this again ? I would but Schweinhund doesn't believe anything I quote here

wo wo woah...

3:1 failed:sucess?

Who the hell could be this unlucky?

Or do you mean 3:1 success:failed?

[Arashi]

wo wo woah...

3:1 failed:sucess?

Who the hell could be this unlucky?

Or do you mean 3:1 success:failed?

3:1 failed:success. I'm saying my ratio was 2:1 but since the assistant messed up my ratio to 20:3, my ratio was actually a bit worse than 2:1, possibly closer to 3:1. ( I think she kept messing up my donor for about 20-30 minutes when she called in the real technician again).

The 'unlucky' (was he?) person with 3:1 ratio is 'NeversayNever'. See his thread on hairsite where he stated:

Im gonna throw a guess and say my Drill to extraction ratio was 3:1. 3 attempts for every follicle. That left my donor is crappy condition afterwards. Naturally, the more they drill the longer it takes to heal AND it might effect the % of regeneration?

[didi]

3:1 failed:success

to get 1000 grafts 4000 extractions are required

[Arashi]

3:1 failed:success

to get 1000 grafts 4000 extractions are required

Yep. But seriously, when the assistant technician took over, she drilled about 20-25 times each time in a row and I would only hear 3 succesful clicks. So, ratio's can be a LOT worse than 3:1.

[gc83uk]

3:1 failed:success. I'm saying my ratio was 2:1 but since the assistant messed up my ratio to 20:3, my ratio was actually a bit worse than 2:1, possibly closer to 3:1. ( I think she kept messing up my donor for about 20-30 minutes when she called in the real technician again).

The 'unlucky' (was he?) person with 3:1 ratio is 'NeversayNever'. See his thread on hairsite where he stated:

Yeah but 3 attempts for each follicle is 2:1 isn't it?

2:1 in your case means for every 3 follicles extracted 2 of them were bad and 1 was good, or 3:1 in your case is 4 follicles extracted 3 bad and 1 good.

Also you have mentioned 20:3 is this supposed to mean out of 23 attempts you have just 3 good ones? or is the 20:3 the other way around? I think you said the guy took over at this point right?

[Arashi]

2:1 in your case means for every 3 follicles extracedt 2 of them were bad and 1 was good, or 3:1 in your case is 4 follicles extracted 3 bad and 1 good.

Yes.

Also you have mentioned 20:3 is this supposed to mean out of 23 attempts you have just 3 good ones? or is the 20:3 the other way around? I think you said the guy took over at this point right?

Sometimes she'd drill 20 times in a row, sometimes 23, sometimes 25, sometimes she'd click 2 times, sometimes 3 times, sometimes 5 times, so it's not a hard number but an educated guess.

[gc83uk]

I hope you don't think I'm being pedantic, but when we're throwing these ratios around then it gets confusing. I just want to understand it 100% before I start emailing hasci back etc

[Arashi]

I hope you don't think I'm being pedantic, but when we're throwing these ratios around then it gets confusing. I just want to understand it 100% before I start emailing hasci back etc

Of course. I think this post would sum it up:

Let's say your ratio is 3:1 and they extracted 4000 hairs, hence 1000 succesful grafts. That would mean at 85% regrowth, 3400 hairs would grow back, 3000 being the failed extractions, so only 400 succesful extracted follicles, hence a REAL regrowth ratio of only 40%

I would love to hear what she says about this and if this is what they claim as 85% regrowth ... I'd email her myself but Schweinhund doesn't believe anything I quote so it's better you do it.

[gc83uk]

Yes.


Sometimes she'd drill 20 times in a row, sometimes 23, sometimes 25, sometimes she'd click 2 times, sometimes 3 times, sometimes 5 times, so it's not a hard number but an educated guess.

If this was the case, lets say you had 1400 grafts planned to be extracted and half of these grafts were troublesome 20:3, assuming the other 700 are approx 2:1 then you have approximately 6000 extractions at a rough guess in your head right now.

[Arashi]

If this was the case, lets say you had 1400 grafts planned to be extracted and half of these grafts were troublesome 20:3, assuming the other 700 are approx 2:1 then you have approximately 6000 extractions at a rough guess in your head right now.

Hehe, in that case I would have been sitting there for 2 days (which I was afraid of when that assistant took over by the way). No, luckily the assistant called in the technician to take over again after 20-30 minutes. So let's assume my ratio was close to 2:1. In that case I would have 4800 extraction sites in my head (to get my 1600 grafts).