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LOL, told you so. This is his LIFE, of course he'd be back.
Anyway, got a response email !! In summary, Kristel mailed me:
1) ALL failed extractions will grow back
2) The 80% regrowth is ONLY regrading transplanted grafts
So this is really great news. Now we'd just need to verify it
More importantly did she answer you on whether you had 4000 odd holes in your head?Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by gc83ukYou just can't stay away can you lol
Anyway, got a response email !! In summary, Kristel mailed me:
1) ALL failed extractions will grow back
2) The 80% regrowth is ONLY regrading transplanted grafts
So this is really great news. Now we'd just need to verify itLeave a comment:
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IronMan, I've always tried to be civil to you as I respect what you've done in terms of research for HST, but for you to call me an idiot just because I have told EXACTLY what happened during my procedure just sums up your aggressive nature. I've never once insulted you, despite some of you strange posts on here, I just want everyone to have a better understanding of HST.
For those who counted, I appreciate your efforts and I'm sure they were glad to do it as it has helped them to get a better understanding of the failed extraction thing. I still believe there were more than 80 failed extractions.
Also your leaving this forum lasted less than 24 hours as expected, I guess you just couldn't deal with the lack of attention for a full day.
Again, I respect your knowledge in this field, but you really need to be more open minded about things... it seems like you are either 100% for something or 100% against it...
All I've ever done on this forum is be honest, I am very much for HST and plan on going back again, I just want the facts to be out there, I refuse to saying something is perfect if it's not, HST is great in my opinion but it's not perfect. You however seem to think (or at least you seem to say) that it is flawless and has NO drawbacks...Last edited by Winston; 12-21-2012, 03:58 PM.Leave a comment:
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OK guys, here are some photos I've analysed of Iron_Man's strip scar area:
Strip Area Day 3 - Marked
Strip - Area Day 3 - Original
I haven't counted the points yet but does this look like a person who has had more than 1.5k grafts extracted?
Anyone is free to analyse the area for themselves. By the way, this is a huge section of donor too. We can add a picture of his right ear are and do the same. It will be absolutely clear that he didn't have much more than 1.4k drills.
And for those trying to take pictures, note how easy it is to spot the extraction points in IM's pictures and count the individual hairs.
Strip Area Day 3 - Marked *Updated
Roughly 300 dills/extractions were taken from that large area surrounding the scar. I may count hairs at the right side tomorrow but I think it's becoming clear that IM did not have more than 1.5k drills/extractions. So basically there should be no issue when analyzing his donor because it's perfectly apparent he hardly had any failed extractions.Leave a comment:
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Don't worry about it. GC and I don't mistrust your story. I've heard a number of patients say the same thing as you. I've personally never had the procedure so this is all a learning experience for me.
The main point I'm trying to make is that an analysis of IM's pictures will be very, very useful and answer a lot of questions about HST.
I've spent months and months on these forums, with the main purpose of getting pictures so I can analyze the HST procedure.I was very excited to see this finally happen, only for all this ridiculous drama to happen. So I've trying my best to get things back to normal if that's at all possible
Hopefully when I shave my donor area down we can evaluate that too, even if it is approximate.Leave a comment:
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Also in the interests of fairness and truth etc, I will go back tonight and edit any posts that were perhaps too strong. I still maintain that it is HIGHLY unlikely that I only had 80 failed extractions, as I was counting.
Also I may have been misunderstood when it came to ratios, I felt there were probably around 3000 extractions made, so this would be a ratio of 2 holes made for 1 successfull extraction... that's what I meant by 2:1
I don't think there were 5000 holes made, but I do feel that there could have been closer to 3000.
Again, I'm not looking to crucify anyone, I just want the facts, and I was just being as honest as possible. lets hope I'm wrong though!
The main point I'm trying to make is that an analysis of IM's pictures will be very, very useful and answer a lot of questions about HST.
I've spent months and months on these forums, with the main purpose of getting pictures so I can analyze the HST procedure.I was very excited to see this finally happen, only for all this ridiculous drama to happen. So I've trying my best to get things back to normal if that's at all possible
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Hey guys
I've just had a quick scan and it seems gaz has been estimating the number of extractions I've had. Thanks very much mate, I really appreciate this and I REALLY hope you're RIGHT and I'm WRONG, I don't mind admitting if I'm wrong, but I was telling it exactly as it happened with my procedure.
Today is my last day at work, so I'll try and see if I can collect photos of my entire extracted donor and do a count myself.
I'm off work for a few weeks so I'll have a few weeks to dedicate to photos etc.
But I need to stress again, EVERY case is DIFFERENT, so Gaz may well go there in 3 weeks and get very FEW failed extractions, as he has straight hair.
Someone with curly hair could then go there and have problems...
The main thing is that we try to get everyone to document the number of drills made to the number of successful grafts taken.
Thanks a lot again for your hard work Gaz, if your count is right, I'll be REALLY REALLY happy!
Also I may have been misunderstood when it came to ratios, I felt there were probably around 3000 extractions made, so this would be a ratio of 2 holes made for 1 successfull extraction... that's what I meant by 2:1
I don't think there were 5000 holes made, but I do feel that there could have been closer to 3000.
Again, I'm not looking to crucify anyone, I just want the facts, and I was just being as honest as possible. lets hope I'm wrong though!Leave a comment:
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I'm going to sleep soon but here are a couple of other good pictures to count like I did:
Right Ear View Day 2 - Original
Upper Strip Scar View Day 2 - Original
Test Day 2 - Original
These pictures are amazing. How could anyone complain about them!? You just have to add a left side and it's almost perfect.
Anyway, count for yourself and tell me there's more than 1.4k drills here. Some of the pictures overlap btw.Leave a comment:
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OK guys, here are some photos I've analysed of Iron_Man's strip scar area:
Strip Area Day 3 - Marked
Strip - Area Day 3 - Original
I haven't counted the points yet but does this look like a person who has had more than 1.5k grafts extracted?
Anyone is free to analyse the area for themselves. By the way, this is a huge section of donor too. We can add a picture of his right ear are and do the same. It will be absolutely clear that he didn't have much more than 1.4k drills.
And for those trying to take pictures, note how easy it is to spot the extraction points in IM's pictures and count the individual hairs.Leave a comment:
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Hey guys
I've just had a quick scan and it seems gaz has been estimating the number of extractions I've had. Thanks very much mate, I really appreciate this and I REALLY hope you're RIGHT and I'm WRONG, I don't mind admitting if I'm wrong, but I was telling it exactly as it happened with my procedure.
Today is my last day at work, so I'll try and see if I can collect photos of my entire extracted donor and do a count myself.
I'm off work for a few weeks so I'll have a few weeks to dedicate to photos etc.
But I need to stress again, EVERY case is DIFFERENT, so Gaz may well go there in 3 weeks and get very FEW failed extractions, as he has straight hair.
Someone with curly hair could then go there and have problems...
The main thing is that we try to get everyone to document the number of drills made to the number of successful grafts taken.
Thanks a lot again for your hard work Gaz, if your count is right, I'll be REALLY REALLY happy!Leave a comment:
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Does hasci keeps records of failed/unfailed extractions for each patient?We need to ask them what is typical average ratio and worst cases.....
GCs next procedure is 3 weeks away and now he know what to ask and look for
its important to keep mind opn about this..thats the biggest issue with IM, he is so biased towards hst and gets aggressive if you question anything about procedure...
we all want it to work and it looks good so far but some important issues have been raised suchs as: we dont know exact graft breakdown, does he really get 2.5 on average as patiens are reporting thin results..then we have failed extractions issue..Leave a comment:
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It would be be completely obvious if c5000 had 3000-6000 extraction points. gc and I both counted the extraction points in a very large section of the donor and anyone is free to verify our results. But I didn't see anything remotely near that amount. If anything it seems to match up pretty well with 1.5-2k extractions.
In IM's case there was absolutely no chance at all that he had more than, 1:1 successful to unsuccessful drill ratio, or more than 2800 extraction points. His case also looked very clearly like 1.4k grafts. So it totally confuses me why there was so much drama over this.Leave a comment:
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Perhaps all these failed extractions are just an imagination
Arashi
Yes its important to know total number of extractions but do you really think you had 4000-5000 holes in the back of your head, do you have any pix? Thats a big number you know..
I was looking at hasci website and they offer 50 test for e570
Rates (Netherlands)
CHOICE Scalp hair
NUMBER OF GRAFTS 50 (test)
RATE € 570
GC said they stopped offering this test but maybe its worth asking, in my opinion it will be the easiest way n the only way to prove HST, and its cheap..Leave a comment:
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