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  • 534623
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1854

    #91
    Originally posted by JJJJrS

    That would be ideal. Although it's very easy to identify points now, it will be difficult when the extraction points heal.
    Just for example:



    This is gc's ORIGINAL photo - Day-6.

    Where is extraction wound number "1" ? Or number "24" ?

    And WHERE is the reference area (blue square) at all?
    Even when you know today, where to look - have fun ...

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    • 534623
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2011
      • 1854

      #92
      Originally posted by 534623
      Just for example:



      This is gc's ORIGINAL photo - Day-6.

      Where is extraction wound number "1" ? Or number "24" ?

      And WHERE is the reference area (blue square) at all?
      Even when you know today, where to look - have fun ...
      I think you know what I tried to tell you ...

      Without 1) outlining a clear defined "observation area" (blue, green, red, yellow square or whatever) and without 2) marking OR encircling each and every extraction wound, and in addition 3) labeling them with numbers (for quick orientation/comparison etc) - regeneration or not?

      gc's case, without doing exactly all this - especially doubters would still claim "I can't see/compare anything!" or "I can only see nice healing ...!" or "doesn't look different to after having normal FUE!" ...

      Here we have such a case - Tobban, the young HST guy from Sweden ...

      Full resolution - BEFORE having HST extractions ...


      Full resolution - immediately AFTER HST extractions ...


      Full resolution - 5 WEEKS AFTER having HST extractions ...


      Regeneration or not?
      Without any doubts - he already HAD (and still has) at least 80% donor regeneration.

      But where is the (real visible) proof?

      Show me the proof ...

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      • 534623
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 1854

        #93
        Houston, we have a problem … FileDen says:
        Oppps...This user is out of Bandwidth!
        Bandwidth Reset is in 3 days.
        Right-Ear-View-Day-4


        And finally, a somewhat zoomed photo of Day-4 …

        Test-Day-4


        So we have to wait 3 days, until you can make again macro-/high resolution views.
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        • JJJJrS
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 638

          #94
          Originally posted by 534623
          Just for example:



          This is gc's ORIGINAL photo - Day-6.

          Where is extraction wound number "1" ? Or number "24" ?

          And WHERE is the reference area (blue square) at all?
          Even when you know today, where to look - have fun ...
          I remember when I tried to verify your analysis of gc83uk's photos some time ago, even with the outline of the area marked, it was still difficult at times to count the hairs. I can't imagine how tedious it must have been for you to find the exact area each time.

          For your case, I think the analysis will be much easier. The angles seem to be more consistent among the different photos and the black reference points should help greatly. As long as you can keep the hairs short, counting them will be simple.

          If the photos are consistent and reference points are marked, then any person following the analysis will easily be able to verify it, either by inspection or by counting the hairs also. By simplifying the analysis, the results are much more impressive for the average person because they can clearly see, without much trouble, how the analysis was conducted.

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          • 534623
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1854

            #95





            Tell me, what exactly you guys want to see ...

            With the video-microscope, I could even produce a video from the WHOLE donor (1 non-stopping stream slowly from the left ear to the right ear or so), as well as from the recipient area.
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            • gc83uk
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 1339

              #96
              Excellent photos Iron Man, almost brings a tear to my eye

              Will you be doing a count of how many hairs out e.g 50 extraction sites have shown regrowth?

              Depending on how detailed you want to be, you could even show a line-graph, number of days on the x-axis vs % regrowth on the y-axis.

              I can also see some strange spots of grey on some of the hair shafts, is that just grey hair? I never thought of grey hair starting like that!

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              • 534623
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1854

                #97
                Originally posted by gc83uk
                Excellent photos Iron Man, almost brings a tear to my eye

                Will you be doing a count of how many hairs out e.g 50 extraction sites have shown regrowth?

                Depending on how detailed you want to be, you could even show a line-graph, number of days on the x-axis vs % regrowth on the y-axis.
                I understand what you mean. Basically, almost EVERYTHING is possible - including such a graph, which shows the percentage (%) of how many hairs emerage at the skin surface after how many days and/or hours. And with the help of the video-microscope, even which kind of regrown grafts (1-hair, 2-hair etc).

                Originally posted by gc83uk
                I can also see some strange spots of grey on some of the hair shafts, is that just grey hair? I never thought of grey hair starting like that!
                Sure, but at the moment mainly just within a 1-3 cm strip right above the ears - you can see this clearly in the uploaded FileDen macro-photos. Damn, I'm getting old ...

                I have just seen a new video on Dr. Gho's website - Dr. Gho is 47 (according to the techs and Dr. Mozart), but it seems that the guy doesn't get old.

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                • 534623
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1854

                  #98
                  Originally posted by gc83uk

                  I can also see some strange spots of grey on some of the hair shafts, is that just grey hair? I never thought of grey hair starting like that!
                  Ahhh, now I know what you mean!
                  No, I think these "strange spots of grey" are just some remnants of the Fucidin creme, which I applied the last time 1 day before. Actually, I applied this creme just once at all, but NOT on day 1 to day 2 after the procedure (as suggested), instead of, on day 3, due to the strip-scar-graftings. Contrary, I couldn't apply Minoxidil on the strip-scar-grafts, due to extractions wounds.
                  But I think, so far, everything works as expected - so far.

                  By the way ...
                  Today, I thouched the first time with my finger-tips carefully the front area - ohhhhhhhhhh, what a feeeeeeeeling ...

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                  • gc83uk
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1339

                    #99
                    ah the fucidin cream of course, that explains it!

                    Any chance of you posting a percentage of your current regrowth tomorrow or even if there isnt much regrowth yet, then at least upload the 50 odd circles your monitoring?

                    I would do it myself, but I'm working long hours atm and I reckon your twiddling your thumbs at home whilst recovering lol.

                    BTW I really miss people challenging HST, seems like almost everyone is convinced and it's all your fault!

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                    • JJJJrS
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 638

                      Amazing pictures IM!

                      It seems like the first signs of regeneration are occurring. Looking forward to documenting your case in the following days. Hopefully FileDen won't cause you too many problems.

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                      • 534623
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1854

                        Originally posted by 534623
                        Hey clarence,
                        check this nice photo out …



                        Guess what - I got such nice strip-scars at a point in my life...
                        Strip-Area-Day-5 (for comparison)


                        Right-Ear-View-Day-5


                        And finally, a somewhat zoomed photo ...

                        Test-Day-5


                        As you can see, there is pretty much dandruff (shedding of dead skin cells from the scalp) going on at the moment. Before having the photo shooting, I washed my head still carefully (and still without rubbing or touching the grafts or drying the head by rubbing the head with a towel thereafter) with head & shoulders anti-dandruff shampoo (provided by HSCI) and with a lot of just showering thereafter after applying the stuff - dandruff is still there, because there is a lot going on at the moment, especially in the donor area.
                        Furthermore, I always inspect carefully the flushing water after every head wash - so far, I could find zero, zilch, nada in the water. That means, I couldn't find any "shock loss hairs" in the water, nor any hairs from the grafted follicles in the recipient area - so far so good.
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                        • Arashi
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 3888

                          This is all very nice and all, but not sure what you're trying to accomplish ? I mean we've seen enough regrowth pictures by now, they're all over the internet from different sources, albeit yours are the best by far.

                          What we do NOT have seen before is a combination of pictures from which we can count the total number of extracted hairs. If this number is very close to the transplanted graft number THEN we'll know that the regrowth in the pictures is REAL regrowth and not just failed extractions growing back.

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                          • Arashi
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 3888

                            Originally posted by 534623
                            I couldn't find any "shock loss hairs" in the water, nor any hairs from the grafted follicles in the recipient area - so far so good.
                            I think I didn't lose any hairs in the first week. I started shedding after that. By week 3 I think I had lost around 50%. I'm now at week 5 and am still shedding, but not so much anymore. I think I still have around 40% of the hairs.

                            On the plus, it seems some hairs are already growing back ..

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                            • Arashi
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 3888

                              Also, there is still some skepticism, at least on the Dutch board, regarding the amount of double and tripple grafts transplanted (some people think Gho focuses on single grafts). Your pictures are of high enough quality to also count that and maybe put an end (or confirm) those doubts ...

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                              • 534623
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1854

                                Originally posted by Arashi
                                This is all very nice and all, but not sure what you're trying to accomplish ?
                                Because MY PERSONAL REPORT ABOUT MY PERSONAL HST has nothing to do with
                                1) your procedure nor with
                                2) any other HST report out there.

                                Originally posted by Arashi
                                What we do NOT have seen before is a combination of pictures from which we can count the total number of extracted hairs. If this number is very close to the transplanted graft number THEN we'll know that the regrowth in the pictures is REAL regrowth and not just failed extractions growing back.
                                Feel free to start counting ALL extraction holes at least in all those photos, I already provided/posted.
                                Let me know your numbers. Thanks in advance, because that would save me some time.

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