The Ironman Procedure

[Arashi]

Look, Schweinhund, if there's one thing that you're good at, it's at making good photo's. Your pictures are the highest quality by far and thus PERFECT for looking into this drills/extraction ratio issue. That's why I asked you to post pictures. That's all.

[c5000]

Can I just say something here?

I think some people are missing one of my points...

Every patient is DIFFERENT and every patient has a DIFFERENT number of failed extractions.

Iron_Mans extractions looked super neat and super clean straight after his procedure, which to me suggests his grafts came out VERY easily and he probably had very few failed extractions IF ANY.

This could be the case with gc83uk too... his seemed very neat also.

But for myself, I had A LOT of failed extractions, and my issue is NOT with regerneration, my issue is with the fact that I was lied to.

I've said all along that donor regeneration is just a bonus to me, as long as I don't get any scarring, I'd be happy.

But unfortunately I'm now worried about scarring as they made SO MANY holes and had to keep changing the depth, as apparrently some of the holes were too deep... I mean that doesn't sound good does it? I was under the impression that the reason there is no scarring on this procedrue is because they don't drill all that deep, is that correct?

[Arashi]

Can I just say something here?

I think some people are missing one of my points...

Every patient is DIFFERENT and every patient has a DIFFERENT number of failed extractions.

Iron_Mans extractions looked super neat and super clean straight after his procedure, which to me suggests his grafts came out VERY easily and he probably had very few failed extractions IF ANY.

This could be the case with gc83uk too... his seemed very neat also.

But for myself, I had A LOT of failed extractions, and my issue is NOT with regerneration, my issue is with the fact that I was lied to.

I've said all along that donor regeneration is just a bonus to me, as long as I don't get any scarring, I'd be happy.

But unfortunately I'm now worried about scarring as they made SO MANY holes and had to keep changing the depth, as apparrently some of the holes were too deep... I mean that doesn't sound good does it? I was under the impression that the reason there is no scarring on this procedrue is because they don't drill all that deep, is that correct?

Yeah you do have a point. Although Schweinhund clearly is in a very weird, troubled mental state of mind, I don't think he was lying when he said that his extraction ratio was near 1:1 (though he probably exaggerated a bit and that's why he doesnt want to post the pictures). So from that aspect, his case would be of limited use. But still, it would be nice to just count it. But I guess you're right, we'd need to have photo's of somebody with a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio to analyse to find out if there are really SO many more holes than transplanted grafts ..

[didi]

Can you guys see 'clickers', where do they hide them, thats the key

[c5000]

Yeah you do have a point. Although Schweinhund clearly is in a very weird, troubled mental state of mind, I don't think he was lying when he said that his extraction ratio was near 1:1 (though he probably exaggerated a bit and that's why he doesnt want to post the pictures). So from that aspect, his case would be of limited use. But still, it would be nice to just count it. But I guess you're right, we'd need to have photo's of somebody with a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio to analyse to find out if there are really SO many more holes than transplanted grafts ..

Hopefully my photos could be of use there to give a general idea of how much regeneration is taking place.

I really want to ask why they said only 80 failed extractions, but I don't want to annoy them to the point where they refuse to treat me as like I've said many times, I am overall very happy with my procedure.

I just wish there was more honesty... I really wish I'd just said at the time "look, I've been counting, and there have been a lot more than 80 unsuccessful extractions"

[c5000]

Can you guys see 'clickers', where do they hide them, thats the key

This was what I found weird... they have two pedals right next to each other.

the successful extractions clicker DIGITAL DISPLAY SCREEN is displayed proudly next to the petri dish... but the total number of holes clicker is nowhere to be seen, that was why I asked him, and that's when he seemed annoyed and fed me that nonsense number "80"

[gc83uk]

It goes without saying that on my next visit i'll be paying close attention to everything!

I have already emailed back to Deborah, but she hasn't responded yet, I guess that will come tomorrow.

Arashi, I haven't emailed Krystal because I don't know her, I considered it, but I felt uncomfortable doing that.

REGARDLESS of Iron Man not believing you, you owe it to the rest of us at least to email her back and dig some more on her last response to you. Would you be willing to do that? I suggest sending it off tonight because I would think tomorrow is the last working day before Christmas.

You don't actually owe us anything but you know what I mean

[didi]

Id insist on checking the count of TOTAL extractions,

when she said 80 failed id ask her, 'can i have a look at counter pls'...

if she refuses then you know she lied for sure otherwise she 'd be happy to let you see it


BTW,why hasci counts failed extractions,

[Arashi]

It goes without saying that on my next visit i'll be paying close attention to everything!

I have already emailed back to Deborah, but she hasn't responded yet, I guess that will come tomorrow.

Arashi, I haven't emailed Krystal because I don't know her, I considered it, but I felt uncomfortable doing that.

REGARDLESS of Iron Man not believing you, you owe it to the rest of us at least to email her back and dig some more on her last response to you. Would you be willing to do that? I suggest sending it off tonight because I would think tomorrow is the last working day before Christmas.

You don't actually owe us anything but you know what I mean

Sure. Schweinhund will say I doctored her response email but ok, you're right and I'll ask her right away.

[Arashi]

Ok, email sent, hopefully we'll have an answer by tomorrow !

[Arashi]

It goes without saying that on my next visit i'll be paying close attention to everything!

Great. I know that, unlike Schweinhund, you're much more interested in the actual truth and not just Gho-postive fables only. Would love to hear how it goes !

[gc83uk]

I don't know why they count failed ones.

I personally believe failed extractions are removed, otherwise why would there be a section in the petri dish if they were not removed?

I'm sure this is a question Arashi can send to Krystal. Unfortunately I had already sent my email to Deborah before this question cropped up.

I think when a failed extraction takes place, it is exactly that, an extraction, but what comes out is not enough to warrant enough tissue to grow in the recipient area.

I know c5000 thinks the failed extractions are still in his head (no pun intended), but in reality I believe they are in your head and also partly removed. The good news is the part that has stayed in your head is fine and will continue growing and probably emerge a couple of days before any of the regrowth from 'successful extraction sites'. There isn't really any bad news in terms of the failed extraction sites.

It's difficult to make head or tail of it, because we're mostly guessing.

Did you manage to take a decent photo c5000 or did you give up with all that?

[Arashi]

Oh, And GC83UK, also DO please ask them how many 1s, 2s and 3s they extracted !

[gc83uk]

Ok, email sent, hopefully we'll have an answer by tomorrow !

Good stuff, hopefully we'll have a fairly accurate outcome between both answers. Seeing as they both work in the same office I'm sure they will be discussing what nut cases we are lol

[didi]

GC

Next time you have HST push hasci to extract only 2s and above....screw singles, go for big ones, make them hunt for top grafts