NEW Dr Gho-Spencer interview*your thoughts?

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  • yeahyeahyeah
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 1776

    #61
    Originally posted by didi
    "The medium is composed of the following ingredients:

    - sodium chloride,
    - potassium chloride,
    - magnesium sulphate,
    - sodium phosphate,
    - calcium chloride,
    - glucose,
    - sodium bicarbonate,
    - sodium lactate,
    - sodium pyruvate,
    - human serum albumin,
    - insulin,
    - bis(maltolato)oxovanadium (BMOV)
    - and a-tocopherol (vitamin E)

    Again, all these component are just the MAIN components.
    That means, that there are also other components involved. "



    secret 'Gho juice' formula is out, Dr Cole and others can play with it
    How do you know this is it?

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    • didi
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1360

      #62
      Well these are d main ingrediants as stated by IM which i dont doubt, yes there are other components but I guess all other components would need to be revealed in patent as you cant get patent and have it secret at the same time.
      Besides if these are main components it makes it much easier for wanna be heroes to come up with their own version of hst

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      • JJJJrS
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 638

        #63
        Originally posted by didi
        Well these are d main ingrediants as stated by IM which i dont doubt, yes there are other components but I guess all other components would need to be revealed in patent as you cant get patent and have it secret at the same time.
        Besides if these are main components it makes it much easier for wanna be heroes to come up with their own version of hst
        The ingredients have been known for around 3 years now, ever since the paper on HST was published in early 2010. There isn't andy information on the composition though, for example, how much of each ingredient should be put into the solution.

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        • 534623
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2011
          • 1854

          #64
          Originally posted by JJJJrS
          The ingredients have been known for around 3 years now, ever since the paper on HST was published in early 2010. There isn't andy information on the composition though, for example, how much of each ingredient should be put into the solution.
          Sure. For example - How much of "sodium pyruvate"?


          Anyway, it takes a HELL OF TIME to find and to test the perfect/ideal combination and finally, to find out the ideal temperature for the complete mixture.

          As Dr. Gho said in the interview "making 2 hair follicles from 1 ISN'T rocket science". Dr. Gho's rocket science has been what I just explained above ...

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          • didi
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1360

            #65
            Gho Juice is something like secret KFC recipe


            &

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            • didi
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 1360

              #66
              »....with you being the inventor of FUE and BHT, I have been
              » following Dr. Gho's thing about HST and believe if anyone can make this
              » happen or prove this and take it to the next level, then you, Dr. Woods,
              » can.
              » If you haven't already done so, could you please look into HST. If people
              » like Skywalker are sold on it then should you not at least give HST an
              » effort!




              Punter, I have looked extensively into this .

              Dr Gho gets some results because he is transplanting intact very small single bulb follicles

              BUT, the results are only good IF the bulbs are relatively thick , as in scissor boy. Then you can get away with 0.5mm . But in most other cases , if you do this , the results will be poor.

              I believe that is why Dr Gho is very selective in showing results, and why even Spencer Kobren referred to them being "less than impressive"

              But the upside is, at 0.5mm incisions spread out over a thick donor, then THE DONOR LOOKS UNTOUCHED....pristine ....even though it has been harvested

              People need to go back in the archives and learn some history...it would save a great deal of time

              In the early 2000s, I was removing 0.5mm grafts, in some selected cases for particular reasons, and when pictures of the donor hit the Internet, the new FUE was hailed as SCARLESS SURGERY...I denied this publicly and emphasized that the scars were there, they were just too small for the naked eye to see...there was no magic

              I reviewed the Gho "peer reviewed" paper and I found no objective proof

              I saw the Kobren interview where Gho held up the follicle model and states he splits it...which has Never been demonstrated .....infact, Dr Gho demonstrates exactly what goes on in the following video http://https://www.youtube.com/watch...e_gdata_player

              PLease watch this.
              Scissorboy Has INTACT SINGLE BULB FOLLICLES removed by a tech with a hand drill

              Look closely, and comment objectively on what you see

              Finally, Hairsite wants to sponsor someone to have 50 grafts by Gho to prove HST

              With all respect, that won't prove a thing, unless all follicles are independently verified to be removed by several judges on video , from a 1cc square area, marked by tattoo .
              The trick here would be to remove only the surface skin, to make it look as though follicular tissue is removed. Again , video that, and place those fragments on a clear bald patch . And see what happens.

              Dr Ray Woods

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              • didi
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 1360

                #67
                First of all, a guy with a full head of hair begins generalised gradual hairloss.....when does it appear obvious to people that he is balding ??

                It varies, but he needs to loose between 15 and 30%.

                That in mind, if you remove a few thousand single bulb follicles from the entire donor with 0.5mm incisions...is it visible ?

                I personally have removed follicles like this in special cases in the past, and close up magnified donor photos/video posted here, on Hairsite about 8 or 9 years ago...

                Absolutely NO visible scarring , even under magnification

                So what happened..if follicles were removed, but there is no visible evidence of removal..then either you need much higher magnification, HD and focus exactly on the areas to see it....OR...it "regenerated"

                I rarely ever do this because density is sacrificed, but every now and then, in the right case, you can get away with it and parade it...eg "scissorboy" has found a sensational story to promote himself..and its working , for him and Dr Gho, after all, I put up the video link and even more people can see scissorboy..and his cute assistant, (I'm guessing "scissorgirl" ?).

                Look at the video skywalker . Pause, enlarge (if necessary) and dwell on the tech with the right angle hand drill removing "something" . What do you see ?

                Also, concentrate on the petri dish with the follicles in it..get a clear shot, pause, and use a magnifying glass against the monitor.
                Seriously,everyone, try this at home...(if you recognise stem cells the sea monkeys are yours !!)...now google or find a pic of a small single bulb follicle

                And if a tech with a drill, and no microscope OR visual aid can punch tiny holes in seconds which triggers stem cell regeneration , then scientists at MIT should grab the nearest quadraplegic, and watch the tech do it to the patients severed spine and see spontaneous nerve stem cell "regeneration"

                BTW, drills cause twisting, torsion and transection of your precious follicles, but you won't EVER see anyone who uses these devices demonstrate that on film..thats on the editing room floor.

                Dr Ray Woods


                HS forum

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                • Kirby_
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 439

                  #68
                  So, Gho's procedure is just bog standard FUE?

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                  • Arashi
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 3888

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Kirby_
                    So, Gho's procedure is just bog standard FUE?
                    Standard FUE gives visible scarring, Gho's procedure doesn't. Gho's procedure causes regrowth, at least in some patients, as we can see for example in the Ironman analysis. Downtime and recovery is way quicker. And to me, most results look great, if you look at the famous Dutch people who had it done (Sneijder, Joling etc). Downside is of course that it's more expensive (I paid I think 8700 eur for 1600 grafts, although FUE isn't THAT much cheaper I think ?)

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                    • 534623
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1854

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Arashi
                      Standard FUE gives visible scarring, Gho's procedure doesn't. Gho's procedure causes regrowth, at least in some patients, as we can see for example in the Ironman analysis.
                      I agree. So I think it won't work for you.

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                      • Arashi
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 3888

                        #71
                        Originally posted by 534623
                        I agree. So I think it won't work for you.
                        Even if there's no regrowth, I think Gho's procedure is stil superior for the other reasons I mentioned. But I have hope for regrowth, the doctor at the clinic said that 80% regrowth is pretty much standard. I'm taking pictures every day to see if I have regrowth myself. I'm 'blessed' with a mole that functions perfectly as a reference spot for comparing pictures, so spotting regrowth should be easy.

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                        • 534623
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 1854

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Arashi
                          Even if there's no regrowth, I think Gho's procedure is stil superior for the other reasons I mentioned. But I have hope for regrowth, the doctor at the clinic said that 80% regrowth is pretty much standard. I'm taking pictures every day to see if I have regrowth myself. I'm 'blessed' with a mole that functions perfectly as a reference spot for comparing pictures, so spotting regrowth should be easy.
                          You mean, as Mr. Tobban did it today on a Swedish forum?
                          After 6 days ...

                          As you can see, the REGROWN hairs are -of course- always shorter than the not extracted hairs next to them. In this case (gc83uk has just lots of 2-hair grafts in his donor), you can even see regrown 3-hair grafts!

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                          • ccmethinning
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 317

                            #73
                            Originally posted by 534623
                            Every time I see a new Gho result I am more and more impressed. 1 week after his procedure you can barely tell he had a transplant at all, and you can already see the hair growing in the recipient. Gho really is a miracle worker.

                            I'm very curious to see how his hairline looks when it grows out. I really like the pattern he was given.

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                            • ccmethinning
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 317

                              #74
                              This should also put to rest the idea myth that Gho doesn't work on young guys with mild-moderate hair loss.

                              That guy is 24yo and is only about a NW3.

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                              • JJJJrS
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 638

                                #75
                                From the early stages, it looks like a fantastic artistic result, something I wanted to see more of from HASCI:

                                Before:


                                1 week after:



                                That's what's so appealing with HST. You don't lose the option of buzzing your hair

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