NeedHairASAP

[The Alchemist]

Really? You posted so far really A LOT - but nowhere any PROOF for all your ridiculously claims. And as long you can't PROVE what you claim - all your comments are completely worthless - in fact, just R I D I C U L O U S L Y.

He posted pics of Joling sans any concealer. The result look thin, wispy and completely see through. That's his proof - and it is something that warrants consideration.

Scissor boy was a NW1.5 -2 to begin with. The video he shot is blurry, poorly lit and you can still make out his transplanted region.

[gc83uk]

How does someone go about measuring the thickness of the transplanted hair versus the thickness of the normal hair?

I'd like to do it to put this argument to rest.

[Delphi]

So what?

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=83762&postcount=18

Either you can't read or you're unable to watch videos or you're simply ... forget it ...

"So what?" ... funny ... e.g. Scissorboy bought and documented a "not perfected" procedure. lol

If I'm being honest, those results don't look too good. If he was in any kind of decent lighting you would see right through from the top down and he admits that he had uneven growth. He also has course, dense hair. These results would have been a huge disappointment for someone with finer hair.

What you can see actually looks a little stalky and unnatural compared to the really good hair transplants we see being posted. Sorry, just being honest. I love the concept , but it's just not perfected yet and from the looks of things it can't ever be performed in North America anyway.

@hairysituation, I agree about Ironman, but I do feel for him. He want's this to be real so badly that he can't be logical about it.

[hairysituation]

How does someone go about measuring the thickness of the transplanted hair versus the thickness of the normal hair?

I'd like to do it to put this argument to rest.

Gc, you really seems genuinely interested in finding the truth. I appriciate that. You are also a real patient. A proactive patient as well. Unfortunately, I don`t know the methodology for measurement of hair qualities. But do you know of any independent dermotologists you can speak to? Maybe (most likely) they know.

I wish you best of luck!

[534623]

Can you come up with a proof which shows a dense looking result from Dr. Gho?

Sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tWm4qAj-9Q

I also provided pictures of Gerard Joling which clearly showed a wispy and thin looking recipent area.

No - you didn't. You provided 1 link to "a" photo, whereby NOBODY knows what it actually shows (before, after - what??).

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=501891219825065&set=o.184077261606725&type=3&permPage=1

Seriously, why didn't you link to this photo for example?? Before or after having HST??

And his publications are the worthless once. His findings dosen`t match what we see in real life.

Thousands of people are still able to see completely the contrary of your claims...

http://www.************/hair-loss/bo...casc-DESC.html

hmmm, or maybe you just need new glasses (or new brain cells)?

[hairysituation]

Sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tWm4qAj-9Q

No - you didn't. You provided 1 link to "a" photo, whereby NOBODY knows what it actually shows (before, after - what??).

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=501891219825065&set=o.184077261606725&type=3&permPage=1

Seriously, why didn't you link to this photo for example?? Before or after having HST??



Thousands of people are still able to see completely the contrary of your claims...

http://www.************/hair-loss/bo...casc-DESC.html

hmmm, or maybe you just need new glasses (or new brain cells)?

1. Decent, but not great. A little (in best case) thin . Remember that he almost had ideal hair characteristics.

2. You can check the date of the photo, and check when he had the HST procedures. Sure, I`m the one who need different brain cells. Maybe I should get a brain "Stem" cell transplant where the extracted brain cells regenerate. How about that?

3. I haven`t claimed that the donor area looks bad, have I? I have only complained about the few happy campers in the recipent area. As I have stated earlier, Gho make scalp hair look like pubic hairs.

[534623]

1. Decent, but not great. A little (in best case) thin . Remember that he almost had ideal hair characteristics.

Really - "decent"?

Hey, why don't you actually buy a nice wig - you can have an extremly thick and dense hairline within seconds!! No sh't!

Trust me, with a wig you will get what YOU are looking for (besides Dr. Rahal's 30k grafts for you). Ignore Sissorboy's, Joling's or Wesley Sneijder's results ...

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Wesley+Sneijder/Torino+FC+v+FC+Internazionale+Milano+Serie/T70VBsR8Iz9

... because these results just "reflect" natural and normal human hair results.

2. You can check the date of the photo, and check when he had the HST procedures.

Why don't you check it out yourself? oh, and don't forget to post your conclusions (including your discovered data & facts).

Maybe I should get a brain "Stem" cell transplant where the extracted brain cells regenerate. How about that?

Sorry, but many people say I should rather do completely the contrary.

3. I haven`t claimed that the donor area looks bad, have I?

No, but you have claimed several times that the whole HST procedure is complete BS and Dr. Gho's research papers are completely worthless and that they "don't reflect what YOU can see in real life".

[hairysituation]

1. Wesley Sneijder have a buzzcut. Do I need to say more? But his results are still decent compared to Joling`s and the other patients. (That I have seen) I would rather wear a wig then having pubic-looking hairs on my head.
2. I have checked it out myself. Read my earlier post.
3. I wasn`t talking about you, but me. You definetely need to be at some type of institution. As well as work on your listening skills.
4. Yeah. But that was directed to the claim of the hair preserving the same characteriztics. Not the regeneration. What good is regeneration if it destroys the quality of the hairs in the recipent area? Cosmetical surgery, my friend. Not non-invasive surgery.

If you are so happy with the sparse results, then go ahead and do the procedure, instead of promoting it. I`m not going to stop you. Good luck! Hope it turns out well for you.

[JJJJrS]

There is no reason anyone should dismiss the procedure at this point. I think some people are going too far in that direction in this thread.

- We don't have any timeline on Joling's pictures. In some pictures his hair looks amazing and others it looks thin. We have no context so it's difficult to say.

- Sneijder had an excellent result for the small session he had. His hair has consistently looked good since the procedure, no sign of concealer.

- Scissorboy's results look good in his videos. Of course, I'd like to see his hair in better lighting but there's no way you can conclude it looks thin from the video he provided.

- The majority of online Gho patients on the forums and some of the other more prominent cases are still waiting for their results to settle but I hope they update us when they get the chance. The results on HASCI's website are a mixed-bag,.

For me personally, I have to see more recipient results to get a gauge on HASCI's artistry and I think people should take that approach because we simply don't have enough examples to conclude in either direction. Quite a few people have had the procedure recently so let's see how their results turn out and compare it to the other doc's results from 1.4-2k grafts.

I think way too many people are emotionally invested, some may be invested in other ways, but I think we should treat the whole controversy surrounding HST in a fact-finding manner. Hopefully Spencer's interview with Gho can clarify some of the issues people have. And hopefully we can get to a point soon where we understand exactly how well HST works.

[534623]

If I'm being honest, those results don't look too good. If he was in any kind of decent lighting you would see right through from the top down and he admits that he had uneven growth. He also has course, dense hair. These results would have been a huge disappointment for someone with finer hair.

excuse me, mr. expert, but what the hell does "dense (existing) hair" have to do with a former slick bald recipient area result???

And how about your "course hair" story?

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Wesley+Sneijder/Torino+FC+v+FC+Internazionale+Milano+Serie/T70VBsR8Iz9

Does Wesley Sneijder (~1700 HST grafts) have "course, dense hair" like Scissorboy - or does he have rather "finer hair" you are talking about? And in which "decent lightning" in all the photos within the photo streams on this website?

[JJJJrS]

hairysituation, I visited one of the docs you praised in this thread and I was not impressed with the consultation, I'll leave it at that. Every doctor has bad results. If you go to one of the prominent forums for hair transplants, you can see some recent results that are poor.

Hair transplants in general are a mixed bag. You have to be very, very careful before getting one. You're totally at the hands of these docs and their technicians. A bad day, and they all have them, and you have to live with that result the rest of your life. So far, hair transplant doctors, not just Gho, are unable to transplant at the same density of your natural hair without compromising the yield and final result. That's just the reality of hair tranplants.

Getting back to my main point, just because you're not impressed with HASCI's artistic skills or conservative approach, does not mean HST isn't a superior method to FUE or FUT. Hopefully, we can gather all the facts and make a conclusion, but at the moment, we need more information.

[Delphi]

excuse me, mr. expert, but what the hell does "dense (existing) hair" have to do with a former slick bald recipient area result???

And how about your "course hair" story?

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Wesley+Sneijder/Torino+FC+v+FC+Internazionale+Milano+Serie/T70VBsR8Iz9

Does Wesley Sneijder (~1700 HST grafts) have "course, dense hair" like Scissorboy - or does he have rather "finer hair" you are talking about? And in which "decent lightning" in all the photos within the photo streams on this website?

Dude, you really need to chill. I've treated you in a very respectful manner. I'm no expert, but I have eyes just like everybody else here and if you don't understand the concept of hair caliber and density as it relates to the final result of a hair transplant, then you need to do more research. Gho's procedure seems promising, but it is just not there yet, at least not for me or anybody that really wants decent hair. I'm sorry, this is my opinion and you are not going to force me to change my view just by trying to beat me over the head with your crazy posts.

[25 going on 65]

Could you please SHOW us the "so far" part, so that we can get a better view about your "so far" part. Thanks.

"So far" means "up until now." For modern standards most of the results I have seen are cosmetically weak (and this is stuff the clinic itself is showing in its marketing), and I have yet to see a truly dense looking HSI transplant.
I see the same couple examples all the time, especially scissorboy, because they are the exceptions to the rule. ie you are not startled by how sparse their recipient looks.
However I see this 16 month video by scissorsboy, it shows very little. The lighting, zoom level, angles, etc. are very poor as far as showing off transplant results. Also the hair is styled to look fuller. You cannot even tell if he is wearing concealer or not? Also this is a man with very good hair characteristics who had all the grafts put into a relatively small area. And even with all this working in his favor, the results look decent, but not top tier. For the cost of this work, you could get far greater cosmetic improvement from other clinics
I am not trying to be disparaging to scissorboy who is very kind to share his transplant with the world, and if he is happy I am happy for him. What I am saying is what I said in my last post, that this is not currently a cosmetically viable procedure. Not for someone seriously considering an expensive cosmetic surgery, not from what we see so far.
scissorboy seems to be the flagship transplant from this clinic on internet forums, and it seems to look fine from what we have to go by. On the other hand most of the results we see from this company are anywhere from mediocre to sad. These are not good odds for someone so distraught about hair that they are on the market for surgical restoration. You want your scalp in the hands of someone consistent and skilled--some disappointing or even failed results are understandable, it will happen in any clinic, but mediocrity should not be the norm. Can you imagine a clinic in the IAHRS with this kind of portfolio? No one can, it would completely delegitimize the org. And I have seen work by IAHRS doctors in person, as well as videos under harsh lighting, closer zoom, multiple angles, styles that clearly show the density, even grafts being combed around and parted many ways.
Possibly in the right hands this procedure would be cosmetically solid. As others say, it does not look like its ready for prime time at this point. That is my honest opinion
(For what it's worth I agree with JJJ, there are newer cases that have not yet shown full growth, so maybe next year I will have a more positive outlook. Right now I can only go by what exists)

[534623]

Getting back to my main point, just because you're not impressed with HASCI's artistic skills or conservative approach, does not mean HST isn't a superior method to FUE or FUT. Hopefully, we can gather all the facts and make a conclusion, but at the moment, we need more information.

Facts? As you know, facts are not always desirable - and sometimes they are very risky (if you post them). Anyway, I very often tried (mostly just for myself) to COMPARE HST results with similar conventional ("show case") hair transplants ... like in this case 1400 HST grafts versus a 2550 (!) "golden standard" hair transplant. Come on guys, don't tell me sh't ...

[534623]

What I am saying is what I said in my last post, that this is not currently a cosmetically viable procedure. Not for someone seriously considering an expensive cosmetic surgery, not from what we see so far.
scissorboy seems to be the flagship transplant from this clinic on internet forums, and it seems to look fine from what we have to go by. On the other hand most of the results we see from this company are anywhere from mediocre to sad.

Which one (of the "most"), and what do you know about them?

Sorry, but just "blah blah blah" doesn't help anyone.