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  • JJJJrS
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 638

    #91
    Originally posted by The Alchemist
    So, he's supposedly had a total of 7-8K grafts combined between HST and FUT? a couple photos in there where he's not wearing concealer look extremely thin. That's not too impressive a result. Are you sure those photos are from "after" is procedures with Gho?
    It's an interesting case because you'll see pictures where his hair looks fantastic, including situations where it might be hard to get away with wearing concealer (shaved down, wet hair, too much hair) like here, here, or to a lesser extent here. But there are other pictures where things look very thin like this one.

    I don't know the timeline of all these pics either, whether it's before or during the recovery period of certain HST procedures, sessions, so it's difficult to comment.

    One of the primary reasons holding me back from getting an HST procedure from HASCI is the lack of recipient results. I need to be absolutely confident with the artistic skills of a surgeon before ever stepping into the chair because the recipient is always the priority. Hopefully the guys who have got an HST procedure can keep us updated with their results.



    Originally posted by hairysituation
    Yes. Maybe it`s before his last procedure before he filled in his hairline and the crown. But he definetely had two HST procedures in the picture I provided. Nevertheless, you can see the updated pictures after his latest procedure on his facebook profiile. Judge for yourself.

    Of course it`s not impressive, the entire procedure is pure bullshit. I guess it works for the people who are ok with with a sparse-looking recipent area and a virgin-looking donor area. However, the majority want something more impressive.

    To summarize, convetional methods, like FUE and FUT, produce decent, but not very dense-looking results. But HST produce results which are FAR more minimal (aesthetically). What would you rather choose? you have to prioritize:

    recipent VS donor- what is more important to you?
    The first thing we have to establish is exactly how well does Gho's technique work in practice and neglect the artistic aspects for a moment. To me, this comes down to two things primarily:

    1) What exactly is the donor regeneration rate?
    2) How many times can the same follicle be harvested and do these hairs maintain the same characteristics (diameter, texture)?

    If the answer to these are min. 85% donor regeneration and no change of hair characteristics like HASCI claims, then that's massive even if we operate under the premise that Gho's artistic skills are poor.

    If these claims are conclusively proven true and accepted, then HST will inevitably find its ways into the hands of more artistically talented surgeons. Even if that does not happen, 85% donor regeneration provides more than enough donor supply that you could use other surgeons to touch up the hairline and let Gho handle the cosmetically less important areas behind it.

    I really hope they post that interview with Gho because Spencer said they would directly touch on this issue, i.e. density of his procedures.

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    • hairysituation
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 206

      #92
      Originally posted by 534623
      "the amount of HST grafts he has recieved"??

      How much grafts?

      1st procedure (Nov 2009): Just 1500 HST grafts distributed all over the (big) whole balding/thinning scalp.

      2nd procedure (2011): 1650 HST grafts - almost everything just for the CROWN area!

      3rd procedure (July 2012 - ~2.5 month ago): 1670 HST for the CROWN area again as well as just for the hairLINE.

      And with such rather small procedures (in comparison) into different areas you expect an extremely dense looking hairline - especially for a hairline just 2.5 month after having the procedure???

      The intention and focus of the first 2 procedures has never been to give Joling an extremely thick looking hairline!
      It's a difference between dense hair and the sparsest looking gras hairs you will ever see. I know it ain't many grafts. However - yes! - it should have looked fuller/denser. I don't see how you can disagree. Without concealers, it barely looks like any hairs at all. Just some few lonely campers!

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      • topcat
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 849

        #93
        Everything is based on solid results without that whatever is being promoted runs out of steam and then it’s on to the next thing that can generate income. At the moment tattooing seems to be gaining steam and HM seems to be losing steam. This is how it works boys and girls. It doesn’t have to be better you only have to get people to believe it’s better for as long as you can.

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        • hairysituation
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 206

          #94
          Btw! They also kept on repeating: "We believe that a natural density is more important than a high density" I therafter said that I naturally have a high density, so why wouldn`t it be natural? They didn`t have a good answer for that.

          The whole thing just screemed incompontence and failure. In addition a pathetic rationalization by calling it "natural density". If they worked as advertised, they would be a practical cure. 30 000 grafts with normal hair characteristics, with Dr. Rahal`s dense packing skills. Are you kidding me? Even I would be happy with that. But unfortunately, their product is pure bullshit.

          And Iron_Man, don`t bring up the marco case from hairsite to dissprove Rahal as a surgon. Every good doctor have a few bad cases.

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          • 534623
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1854

            #95
            Originally posted by hairysituation
            30 000 grafts with normal hair characteristics, with Dr. Rahal`s dense packing skills.
            Are you kidding me?
            No, not at all! Or should I ?

            So, you shouldn't worry - everyone is taking you completely serious, because everything you say is completely "fact based".

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            • 534623
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 1854

              #96
              Originally posted by topcat

              At the moment tattooing seems to be gaining steam and HM seems to be losing steam.
              Sure, hair tattooing - a dream come true for "hair losers" ...

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              • 25 going on 65
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 1476

                #97
                Originally posted by hairysituation
                Btw! They also kept on repeating: "We believe that a natural density is more important than a high density" I therafter said that I naturally have a high density, so why wouldn`t it be natural? They didn`t have a good answer for that.

                The whole thing just screemed incompontence and failure. In addition a pathetic rationalization by calling it "natural density". If they worked as advertised, they would be a practical cure. 30 000 grafts with normal hair characteristics, with Dr. Rahal`s dense packing skills. Are you kidding me? Even I would be happy with that. But unfortunately, their product is pure bullshit.

                And Iron_Man, don`t bring up the marco case from hairsite to dissprove Rahal as a surgon. Every good doctor have a few bad cases.
                I don't know if the whole procedure is bullshit, but so far it is not cosmetically viable.

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                • hairysituation
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 206

                  #98
                  Originally posted by 534623
                  No, not at all! Or should I ?

                  So, you shouldn't worry - everyone is taking you completely serious, because everything you say is completely "fact based".
                  You`re a psycho. Get the procedure done yourself, and you will see what I`m talking about. All the Gho-patients aren`t happy. They never post their finasl result. Sure, they are just so happy with their new hair that they simply don`t have time for it.

                  If constant 80% regeneration actually was true, and the hair remained with the same characteriztics, then it should be possible to get approximately 30 000 grafts. Or at least 20 000.

                  Yeah, but instead of make a rational reasoning, let`s pick up on details. Way to go Iron_Man. Way to go.

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                  • 534623
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1854

                    #99
                    Originally posted by hairysituation
                    You`re a psycho. Get the procedure done yourself, and you will see what I`m talking about.
                    Oh, again, I can see what you're talking about - namely, about fact based things. And everything without ever having a HST procedure yourself. Not bad.

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                    • 534623
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1854

                      Originally posted by 25 going on 65
                      I don't know if the whole procedure is bullshit, but so far it is not cosmetically viable.
                      Could you please SHOW us the "so far" part, so that we can get a better view about your "so far" part. Thanks.

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                      • Delphi
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 517

                        Originally posted by 534623
                        Oh, again, I can see what you're talking about - namely, about fact based things. And everything without ever having a HST procedure yourself. Not bad.
                        Sounds a little hypocritical to me Ironman, don't you think? You state things as fact all the time, but you have never had a HST procedure. Very strange logic.

                        Hairysituation made a decision based on research, in-depth conversations with Dr. Gho and the clinic, and came to the conclusion that the procedure is not all what it is cracked up to be. That's his choice. I agree that there has never been a documented case of really good, fully grown out recipient results, but this is not to say the Gho's procedure is bullshit, just not perfected yet. So what?
                        Gho's procedure, might not be ready for "prime time" yet, but it will probably get there. If you're a person who wants to shave really close and just add some hair in the hairline, it could be a perfect solution. It would not be worth the time, expense, and travel to me, but we all have to decide for ourselves.

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                        • 534623
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 1854

                          Originally posted by Delphi
                          I agree that there has never been a documented case of really good, fully grown out recipient results, but this is not to say the Gho's procedure is bullshit, just not perfected yet.

                          So what?
                          So what?
                          Well, this website looks pretty legit (apart from some spelling errors) http://www.ghoclinic.cz Has anyone else heard anything about it or is willing to share some information? I would hope the prices are lower than they are in the other EU countries since Czech Republic isnt using Euros. Lets see what information we


                          Either you can't read or you're unable to watch videos or you're simply ... forget it ...

                          "So what?" ... funny ... e.g. Scissorboy bought and documented a "not perfected" procedure. lol

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                          • hairysituation
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 206

                            Originally posted by Delphi
                            Sounds a little hypocritical to me Ironman, don't you think? You state things as fact all the time, but you have never had a HST procedure. Very strange logic.

                            Hairysituation made a decision based on research, in-depth conversations with Dr. Gho and the clinic, and came to the conclusion that the procedure is not all what it is cracked up to be. That's his choice. I agree that there has never been a documented case of really good, fully grown out recipient results, but this is not to say the Gho's procedure is bullshit, just not perfected yet. So what?
                            Gho's procedure, might not be ready for "prime time" yet, but it will probably get there. If you're a person who wants to shave really close and just add some hair in the hairline, it could be a perfect solution. It would not be worth the time, expense, and travel to me, but we all have to decide for ourselves.
                            Fair comment delphi! I can`t say for sure that the procedure is pure bullshit, but that`s my opinion. However, I think it`s pretty conclusive that the procedure isn`t as good as advertised. I wish it was. It would made my life so much more easier.

                            Regarding Iron_man, he has a selective logic. He isn`t interested in truth. He`s a repair patient who maybe look at Gerard as an role model. Gerard was a repair patient himself. I think Iron_man really need this procedure to work, but he also know deep down that it dosen`t. Just an personal observation, not a scientific fact.

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                            • 534623
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1854

                              Originally posted by hairysituation
                              However, I think it`s pretty conclusive that the procedure isn`t as good as advertised.
                              Really? You posted so far really A LOT - but nowhere any PROOF for all your ridiculously claims. And as long you can't PROVE what you claim - all your comments are completely worthless - in fact, just R I D I C U L O U S L Y.

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                              • hairysituation
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 206

                                Originally posted by 534623
                                Really? You posted so far really A LOT - but nowhere any PROOF for all your ridiculously claims. And as long you can't PROVE what you claim - all your comments are completely worthless - in fact, just R I D I C U L O U S L Y.
                                Can you come up with a proof which shows a dense looking result from Dr. Gho? I don`t have to come up with a conclusive proof which back my claims. I have my observations and conversations wth Gho and HASCI as personal proofs. And Gho is the one who is making commercial claims, so HE is the one who should prove himself. I also provided pictures of Gerard Joling which clearly showed a wispy and thin looking recipent area.

                                His publications are the worthless once. His findings dosen`t match what we see in real life. empiricism, my friend. empiricism is my proof.

                                As you know in logic, you dosen`t prove a negative. For example, you does not prove god`s existence by saying "prove that god dosen`t exists.

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