Gho's files patent for Hair multiplication

[35YrsAfter]

Yup. One of their ingredients for their 'preservation medium is "human serum albumin" and that's not the patient's own.

That is indeed troubling. Human Serum Albumin Link.

Chuck

[Arashi]

Are you implying that Gho soaks follicles in blood other than a patient's own?

Yup. One of their ingredients for their 'preservation medium is "human serum albumin" and that's not the patient's own.

[Arashi]

I'm assuming you've asked them that very question, so what was their answer?

Yes, I asked them, so did others. They always come up with some BS answer. I think you saw my result, right ? In my case they simply said "Well yeah after 3 HST's you will start to see noticable thinning". When I asked them why (cause it shouldnt be the case, heck, it shouldnt even be the case with FUE !), they simply didnt reply. They just do not have an answer (well they have, but they wont tell you of course that it's all al lie). This guy asked a similar question and posted his story on the Dutch forum:

Ik ben namelijk bij hem op consult geweest, dr Gho zal nooit iemand een volle haardos kunnen teruggeven.
En wel hierom, hij zegt t namelijk zelf gewoon. Tijdens mijn consult adviseerde hij mij 1600 grafts voor de haar lijn en om volgend jaar terug te komen om het achter de haarlijn vol te gooien. Maar mijn kruin moest ik niks aan laten doen omdat je moeder natuur toch nooit zou kunnen kopieren. Dit waren exact zijn woorden, ik wist niet hoe gauw ik daar weg moest komen.

Ik snapte heel deze gozer niet meer, wel beweren dat het donorgebied teruggroeit want dat is het probleem niet zegt ie. Nou wat is dan wel het probleem?
Hij zei het ook met zo een gezicht van dat er eigenlijk toch wel een probleem is . Niet dat ik het verhaal geloof dat het donorgebied teruggroeit want als dat het probleem niet is, dan heb je ook geen probleem!!

Just saw that Google translate sucks on this one, so let me translate:

I went for consultation to Gho. Gho wont ever give anybody a full head of hair. He even says so himself. At my consultation, he advised me 1600 grafts for the hairline and to come back next year to thicken up the area behind the hairline. But I shouldnt do anything about my crown area, because you simply cant copy mother nature. These were exact his words, I didnt know how fast to get the hell out of there.

I didnt understand Gho anymore: claims that donor grows back, so that isnt the problem. So what IS the problem ? He said it with a face like that there is a problem. Not that I believe the story about regrowth, cause if that wouldnt be the problem, you simply wouldnt have a problem at all

Basically the same thing: you ask them, WHY cant I get my hair back when donor grows back for 85% ? And they come up with some BS answer. "You simply cant copy mother nature"... WTF !?!?!

[35YrsAfter]

BTW, you can even keep that $86 in your own pocket, hasci posted the whole thing on their own website: http://www.hasci.com/uploads/files/N..._treatment.pdf

So, show that to your employer, Dr Cole, tell him to repeat exactly what Dr Gho describes there, show him the ingredient of Gho's "magic elixer" that I posted 2 pages back et voila, you will be able to sell therapies with 85% regrowth to patients ! Now who wouldnt want THAT ? And maybe your clients will also be interested in a Laser Helmet, a Pilogics device, adipose derived stem cell extract, meditation tapes for hairgrowth, taroth cards for hair growth and other stuff. Tons of goodies to sell man !!

PRP from a patient's own blood IS legal in the US. and is effective to varying degrees in increasing hair shaft diameter of miniaturizing hairs. Are you implying that Gho soaks follicles in blood other than a patient's own?

I'm attempting to have an honest discussion. I have never seen a Gho patient and I value your views regarding your own experience. I have been in contact with a guy via phone and email who is a Gho patient that claims Gho's treatment is legit. Of course there is the placebo effect and hair loss sufferers can be optimistic to the point of losing objectivity.

Gho has been a mystery for some time. According to member lists, he's not a member of the ISHRS or the IAHRS. A while back, Dr. Cole contacted Gho's clinic repeatedly because he was interested in his claims. Gho's office never responded. You may well be right. Then again you may be wrong or somewhere in between. Discussing this is of great value and I appreciate your reasonable arguments although I don't view all of your arguments as reasonable at all.

[gc83uk]

I doubt that. The people working there are not stupid, especially the doctors, they went to university. If a client asks you if he can get a full head of hair again and you tell him he cant and he asks you 'why then, if 85% regen really happens I should be able to get my hair back', then what do you reply ? At some point you must start wondering things yourself, right ? You went to university, you understand math, you must start to realize, sooner or later, that it just doesnt add up.

I'm assuming you've asked them that very question, so what was their answer?

[Arashi]

I honestly believe most of the people at Hasci genuinely think they are getting 85% regen.

I doubt that. The people working there are not stupid, especially the doctors, they went to university. If a client asks you if he can get a full head of hair again and you tell him he cant and he asks you 'why then, if 85% regen really happens I should be able to get my hair back', then what do you reply ? At some point you must start wondering things yourself, right ? You went to university, you understand math, you must start to realize, sooner or later, that it just doesnt add up.

[gc83uk]

To be honest, no!

It's not something I would be comfortable doing whilst they are operating on my head

Maybe if the right time came along, I suppose I could ask them, but what would they possibly say other than yes we can get 85% regeneration, they are not suddenly going to begin spilling any hidden secrets to me.

I remember last year, I was talking with Deborah and I asked her if she can deliberately thin out the area around my scar to make it look more gradual and less of a contrast from slick scar to thick hair.

She said: "I can try, but you know 85% is going to regrow back no matter what I do".

I laughed to myself and just said ok, well 15% less around that section is better than nothing.

This is the point I was making a few days, I honestly believe most of the people at Hasci genuinely think they are getting 85% regen.

[caddarik79]

It reminds me of Wayne Rooney, he is basically chasing his hair loss, I'm pretty sure he's had a couple of transplants now. His seems to be getting worse towards the crown of late.

Hey gaz,

I was thinking: as a particular and frequent patient at hasci, do you think you might go for a franc, sincere discussion with them "live" about all the controverse and the 85% regeneration?

Maybe they will consider it differently coming from such a nice guy and patient?

I was wondering... I know we will keep on following you, but you seem to have a very balanced temper and cool, laid back personnality... don't you think with all the money you already invested there + the trust, you could get to arrive to the point of some real talk there?

[gc83uk]

It reminds me of Wayne Rooney, he is basically chasing his hair loss, I'm pretty sure he's had a couple of transplants now. His seems to be getting worse towards the crown of late.

[gc83uk]

And I said a few pages back that I yet have to see a bad result from HASCI, but I just saw one. This guy posted his photo on the Dutch forums, he got treated by HASCI a few years ago, this is his final results: http://oi60.tinypic.com/fnv6tf.jpg

In fact, one of the worst results I've ever seen.

Ooh that looks nasty. Looks like he may have lost more of his native hair since having his HST, especially seeing as it was a few years ago.

[Arashi]

And I said a few pages back that I yet have to see a bad result from HASCI, but I just saw one. This guy posted his photo on the Dutch forums, he got treated by HASCI a few years ago, this is his final results: http://oi60.tinypic.com/fnv6tf.jpg

In fact, one of the worst results I've ever seen.

[Arashi]

BTW, you can even keep that $86 in your own pocket, hasci posted the whole thing on their own website: http://www.hasci.com/uploads/files/N..._treatment.pdf

So, show that to your employer, Dr Cole, tell him to repeat exactly what Dr Gho describes there, show him the ingredient of Gho's "magic elixer" that I posted 2 pages back et voila, you will be able to sell therapies with 85% regrowth to patients ! Now who wouldnt want THAT ? And maybe your clients will also be interested in a Laser Helmet, a Pilogics device, adipose derived stem cell extract, meditation tapes for hairgrowth, taroth cards for hair growth and other stuff. Tons of goodies to sell man !!

[Arashi]

BTW, just for our entertainment, this is what your hero, dr Woods (BTW also my hero, without him we might still be having FUT as our best option, we need more innovative researchers like him) said about dr Gho:

So , I went online, found the journal, amongst the plethora of other online “journals”, Paid $86.00 US and read it

And it was worth every cent. I have not been so entertained since Dr Jones publicly stated he was “ removing the spiral apocrine glands from armpit hair with a pair of tweezers”….no no, its the guy who is running a multi spiked roller over your head , and then drenching it in your own plasma…etc etc.

But the tragedy is, there are desperate guys who want to believe, there are operators who will sell anything to the desperate…and there is nothing funny about that
But the fact that a tiny percentage of hair will regenerate is fascinating to academic scientists working in the most acclaimed multidisciplined reputable institutions in the world working with multimillion dollar annual budgets…AND they still can’t crack it

But Dr Gho has. By simply coring out a follicle, with 2 power magnification, he is claiming to do what no other scientist on earth can achieve. He is turning one into two. But it gets more impressive. This then becomes an ENDLESS supply

I paid $86 bucks to read this. It is long , convoluted and denched with scientific jargon and tables. But here is a summary.
Now remember, Gho has been claiming he has been doing this for several years.

“this technique enables us to generate 2 hair follicles from 1, with CONSISTENT RESULTS and preserve the donor area “

“95.9% of implanted hair survived ….AND 97.7% of removed donor hair had COMPLETE REGENERATION..

The study had 5 PATIENTS…it was for 12 months, and approx 800 hair was transplanted.

And how many hair did they show regrow from the approx 800 transplanted with a STATED 95.9% survival…ONE. You read correctly. One shaft. I repeat . ONE HAIR.

They could only show ONE hair after 12 months. But wait, they did state most will grow out in 5 to 8 months. And word is they have been doing this technique for years !!

And finally, the conclusion.

“the weakness of the study is the limited number of patients……therefore a larger group of patients is necessary to study the REAL CLINICAL RELEVENCE of this technique “

What Dr Gho says in this “peer reviewed journal” is diametrically opposed and contrary to everything I have observed seen and studied over the past 20 years, and I am not alone.

Every guy who suffered permanent scalp shock and trauma simply because techs jabbed incisions too close to pre existing hair knows that this study is flawed

To anyone seriously contemplating this treatment, please take this advice

Pay $86 bucks, get the paper, and spend a long consultation with a credible non aligned, independent dermatologist to review this for you. It may be a good investment

Dr Ray Woods

[Arashi]

Anyway, again like dr Aaron Gardner explains, it needs to be done under a microscope to ensure that
1) Both parts have enough stem cells to induce neogenesis
2) The surroundings of the follicle are removed

My *THEORY* as to why it sometimes happen when you 'just' cut a piece of a follicle (in less than 5% of the instances according to Dr Woods) is that both requirements are met in less than 5% of the times you cut a follicle. Cause again, it's not just about cutting it at the right place, the surroundings need to be removed too. For all this to happen by 'accident' you need a lot of luck ! And like Dr woods noted: to claim you can have this happen in more than 5% of the times, let alone 85% of the times, that's just 100% BS (he pretty much said it in those words, if you want to I can quote some of the things he said about Gho. He's 100% convinced Gho is a scammer)

[Arashi]

ACell is just one brand of extracellular matrix medical product made from pigs bladder. Neither you nor I know whether Gho incorporates an extracellular matrix product in his procedure.

Sigh. Yes I DO know. I was treated there. Furthermore again, EVERYTHING regarding the procedure is described in detail! Gho publicized his method in that journal and the contents of his magic elixer and public, I even posted them a page back !!

OK, so we're NOT talking about something considered impossible because it has never happened. If even a miserably low number of transected follicles can regrow, Why not more? Are you not aware of the number of "low yield" results that have been dramatically improved upon through advances in technology?

This came from the same guy, your hero, Dr Woods, who said in the same post that is it impossible to get to more. He phrased it as going against everything he learned in 20 years of research. Why ? Again, read Dr Aaron's post: this can only work if you remove the surroundings of the follicle correctly. Yes if you blindly cut follices in half, no, even if you do it under a microscope, SOMETIMES you cut it in such a way that the contents of the follicle are being seperated exactlty correctly. This happens in about 0-5% of the transfections. But to do it correctly and have a high success rate, you need to dissect the follicle under a microscope, remove all of it surroundings and split the stem cells inside. That's at least my explanation why some regrowth CAN happen. But again, EVERYBODY found that it's only neglectible.

Anyway, if you believe Gho, then why not reproduce what he did ? Everything is prescribed in detail, anyone can reproduce it !! So download that article from that journal, you can buy it for $85 online and show it to dr Cole ! $85 seems a good price for knowledge on how to multiply hair, right ?