update HASCI, Arashi?

[ss1980]

Gc still believes that he got regeneration

You level of baldness wasnt bad at all, you had intact crown, normal hairline, high sides, something 2500 FUE could have achieved, and your donor is already showing signs of depletion.

H&W, DR Lorenzo and others do 8 000+ 2.x grafts on NW6s on a regular basis.



if you closely scrutinize gho and his pathetic excuses you will see something is fishy, time to swallow red pill, i know it sucks but hst is nothing more than redistributing hair by splitting grafts

[Arashi]

Didn't you bring up FUE in one of your posts to show comparisons with HST?

Yes and I see that I shouldnt have done that. Please replace 'FUE' with something like 'real'. I'm just talking about the REAL average hair/graft, so the 2.5 that's there on an average scalp.

[Arashi]

Gc still believes that he got regeneration

You level of baldness wasnt bad at all, you had intact crown, normal hairline, high sides, something 2500 FUE could have achieved, and your donor is already showing signs of depletion.

Exactly.

[ss1980]

Im not impressed by gcs result, 3 years after his first hst all got is super low density suitable only for shaving, growing it out would look far too thin compared to sides and back. Wht can people who need hairline and crown to fill expect? They are royaly fckd.. We need dr wesleys solution and fingers crossed that he doesnt turn out like the rest of wanna be heroes did

[JJJJrS]

We need dr wesleys solution and fingers crossed that he doesnt turn out like the rest of wanna be heroes did

The problem with Dr. Wesley's solution is that I highly doubt there will be any donor regeneration. The guy is using ACell to accomplish donor regrowth and citing a doctor like Cooley, who hasn't succeeded with his experimentation. I personally think ACell is useless for hair transplants.

In my opinion, the best case scenario is that you get a scarless FUE like HST, but with more hairs per graft and comparable transection rates to FUT. I've pretty much lost hope for donor regeneration anytime in the near future after everything we've heard and haven't heard from Gho, Mousseigne, Cole, Mwamba, Nigam.

[Arashi]

The problem with Dr. Wesley's solution is that I highly doubt there will be any donor regeneration. The guy is using ACell to accomplish donor regrowth and citing a doctor like Cooley, who hasn't succeeded with his experimentation. I personally think ACell is useless for hair transplants.

In my opinion, the best case scenario is that you get a scarless FUE like HST, but with more hairs per graft and comparable transection rates to FUT. I've pretty much lost hope for donor regeneration anytime in the near future after everything we've heard and haven't heard from Gho, Mousseigne, Cole, Mwamba, Nigam.

Agreed, I'm convinced Wesley won't reach regen either. Acell is BS regarding regrowth.

[gc83uk]

Gc still believes that he got regeneration

You level of baldness wasnt bad at all, you had intact crown, normal hairline, high sides, something 2500 FUE could have achieved, and your donor is already showing signs of depletion.

A bit of respect wouldn't go a miss, seriously. The time I've spent to present my cases on here and this is the tone you take.

1) I've had grafts put into my hairline, both sides, but significantly on my right side.

2) My crown is slightly compromised by the alopecia.

3) I went to see multiple FUE/FUT hair transplant Dr's all of which are part of this wonderful ISHRS, both said I'd be lucky to extract 2000-2500 grafts from my donor and even then the appearance would be much thinner.

4) One of the same such Dr's advised a scalp reduction because of the severity, he told me there was no chance of coverage without it because of my very poor donor characteristics.

5) I was also sent for a scalp biopsy which basically come back with inflammation still present meaning I'm not really eligible for a hair transplant, however with HST being so non-invasive, it was that or nothing.

6) Tell me how can 2500 FUE cover over 100cm2, how many of those 2500 grafts are actually going to grow? About 80% according to Mwamba.

7) Show me one FUE that H&W done with 8000 grafts?

8) And yes I do believe I have regeneration, definitely not 80%, but I've repeated that like a million times.

9) If you think Gho is bs, then move on, I don't care tbh.

[hellouser]

The problem with Dr. Wesley's solution is that I highly doubt there will be any donor regeneration. The guy is using ACell to accomplish donor regrowth and citing a doctor like Cooley, who hasn't succeeded with his experimentation. I personally think ACell is useless for hair transplants.

In my opinion, the best case scenario is that you get a scarless FUE like HST, but with more hairs per graft and comparable transection rates to FUT. I've pretty much lost hope for donor regeneration anytime in the near future after everything we've heard and haven't heard from Gho, Mousseigne, Cole, Mwamba, Nigam.

Please don't put a fraud like Nigam in the same sentence as the others.

[Arashi]

A bit of respect wouldn't go a miss, seriously. The time I've spent to present my cases on here and this is the tone you take.

1) I've had grafts put into my hairline, both sides, but significantly on my right side.

2) My crown is slightly compromised by the alopecia.

3) I went to see multiple FUE/FUT hair transplant Dr's all of which are part of this wonderful ISHRS, both said I'd be lucky to extract 2000-2500 grafts from my donor and even then the appearance would be much thinner.

4) One of the same such Dr's advised a scalp reduction because of the severity, he told me there was no chance of coverage without it because of my very poor donor characteristics.

5) I was also sent for a scalp biopsy which basically come back with inflammation still present meaning I'm not really eligible for a hair transplant, however with HST being so non-invasive, it was that or nothing.

6) Tell me how can 2500 FUE cover over 100cm2, how many of those 2500 grafts are actually going to grow? About 80% according to Mwamba.

7) Show me one FUE that H&W done with 8000 grafts?

8) And yes I do believe I have regeneration, definitely not 80%, but I've repeated that like a million times.

9) If you think Gho is bs, then move on, I don't care tbh.

Don't take it personally Gaz, we all know you've put a lot of work into documenting your case and it's very much appreciated. Yet at the same time I can only agree to what ss1980 says. Your donor does seem depleted at this time. Like I suggested before, to make sure you can cut out a square cm out of paper like you've done before and use it to measure, but I'd say you're really below that 125 hairs/cm2, generally accepted to be the point of a natural looking density. Cause to me it already looks unnatural thin like it is now.

And on top it's even way worse. It's so thin that you can't wear it long. I'm in the same boat by the way, my HASCI result is also so thin that I can't wear it much longer than 3 mm or it looks unnatural. And I think my density is even higher than what you've gotten on top (which would make sense since I already had hair in quite a bit of the area they implanted into)

My only option to make it more natural is to go again. But I'd rather wait to see what happens with Pilofocus. Not because I believe in regen (quite the opposite) but because it's scarless too.

[Arashi]

6) Tell me how can 2500 FUE cover over 100cm2, how many of those 2500 grafts are actually going to grow? About 80% according to Mwamba.

Keep in mind that although it's generally accepted that a natural density is 50 grafts/cm2, it's also generally accepted that 30 grafts/cm2 can give somewhat the fake IMPRESSION of a natural looking result.

And (THE) one thing Ironman is actually right about: I think if you have to divide 5000 hairs it can appear slightly denser if you have 5000 single hair grafts than 1250 4-hair grafts, cause the hairs are more evenly dispersed. So the (cost & time) disavantage of HASCI's lower hair/graft count might also be a (slight) cosmetic advantage in that case.

[Arashi]

And to demonstrate my point:

http://s30.postimg.org/jmm5bm34h/Density.jpg

Density in that area is 88 hairs/cm2, well below the 125 cm2 needed as a minimum to have a natural looking result. Also there are area's even with (way) lower density than that .. And it clearly shows, my result is nowhere near natural.

Again, my plan was to go another time ASAP to HASCI after my 1st HST, to increase density in that area (hairline + temples). Kristel responded that she adviced NOT to do that because supposedly there was not enough hair in donor, even with their HST procedure. Which is a confirmation from HASCI that regrowth is at least nowhere near 80%.

[Arashi]

And once again to make that last point (since Ironman still doesn't seem to get it) ->

Assume HASCI uses the WHOLE donor and uses every graft only once. How many hairs are there in an average donor ? Average density is 70 gr/cm2, average hair/graft is 2.5, average size 200 cm, so there are a total of 35.000 hairs in an average donor. 80% grows back, so donor will be at 56 gr/cm2, well above the 50 gr/cm2, so donor will still look natural dense, no worries there at all. Now how many cm2 can we fill up with those 35.000 hairs ? 35.000/125 = 280 cm2 of recipient can be filled up with a natural looking density.

I just tried to measure how big my own 'unsafe' zone is and it really is just about that. So that means that if 80% regrowth were true, HASCI could bring back the average NW7 to a NW1, with natural looking density all over the scalp and would have used every hair in donor only once. Yet HASCI says they can NOT do that. Which effectively means they lied about 80% regrowth..

I just bookmarked this post, whenever Ironman is starting with his BS again, I'll kindly remind him of these FACTS regarding HASCI.

[gc83uk]

Don't take it personally Gaz, we all know you've put a lot of work into documenting your case and it's very much appreciated. Yet at the same time I can only agree to what ss1980 says. Your donor does seem depleted at this time. Like I suggested before, to make sure you can cut out a square cm out of paper like you've done before and use it to measure, but I'd say you're really below that 125 hairs/cm2, generally accepted to be the point of a natural looking density. Cause to me it already looks unnatural thin like it is now.

And on top it's even way worse. It's so thin that you can't wear it long. I'm in the same boat by the way, my HASCI result is also so thin that I can't wear it much longer than 3 mm or it looks unnatural. And I think my density is even higher than what you've gotten on top (which would make sense since I already had hair in quite a bit of the area they implanted into)

My only option to make it more natural is to go again. But I'd rather wait to see what happens with Pilofocus. Not because I believe in regen (quite the opposite) but because it's scarless too.

I'm not taking it personal, however when I'm stating facts and then people continue to say that FUE is just as good etc, then I'm wasting my time here. Makes it pointless. FUE is not scarless and will always result in a net loss of hair, probably around 20%.

I can equally just carry on with my following procedures without coming back to the forums.

I'm tired of people like didi or whatever name he now goes under saying it's time to join the Nigam camp, whilst joking at the Gho believers. Playground stuff.

My donor is not depleted, you may think so, but I do not. However having the first 1400 grafts done in a thin strip in hindsight was not a good idea, it would have been much less noticeable if I had just shaved my head to begin with so they were extracted equally over the donor area. Personally I believe I need to deliberately thin out the rest of the donor area 'slightly' to match the area all over. There is also a decision to be made about the FUT scar I have from when I was 14 years old too.

Regarding my recipient, because I've had some grafts in the front area and bulked the density on the edges to blend the natural hair to the alopecia area then of course this has detrimental affect to the central area of the scalp, which has the lowest density. However 5000 HST grafts is only about 6750 hairs, over an area of more than 100cm2. Lets say 110cm2 for argument sake. That's just 60 hairs per cm2, however there is probably closer to 80-100ish hairs per cm2 around the edges, which means less hairs per cm2 elsewhere.

If I had gone for FUE and this is the last time I'm saying this, then I wouldn't have been able to extract more than 2500 grafts which if I were lucky would generate 2 hairs per graft. So 5000 hairs MAX.

Those 5000 hairs wouldn't go far and to make matters worse, I'd have to grow my donor area out slightly to cover up the fue scars and then I'd have to grow out my new shit 5000 recipient area (5000 hairs if I had 100% growth).
In the words of ss1980 i'd be royally fcked.

I think it's also important that when you personally claim that regrowth is in the region of 0-38%, the focus seems to be that it's 0% when it's just as likely it's 38%.

Gho gets it in the neck for claiming 80%, when Cole etc claims 60%. Nobody seems to care much about that.

As for pilofocus, I don't know a huge amount about that, but I think that is much more invasive and way too risky for someone like myself.

[gc83uk]

The point about having e.g 5000 single grafts vs 2500 2 hair grafts, appearing visibly better is definitely a valid point especially when short. When the hairs are short and in 2fu's they stick to each other anyway. That's something I've always thought about myself since starting with hasci.

[Arashi]

FUE is not scarless and will always result in a net loss of hair, probably around 20%.

Agreed on the scarless part of course, but not on that 20%. Most FUE clinics nowadays have yields similar to FUT, at least that's what they claim. I can't prove that's not true and I doubt you can prove that 20% loss.

My donor is not depleted, you may think so, but I do not.

Well that's how it looks like to me. It looks unnatural thin to me, just as my own HST placed recipient looks unnatural thin, which I confirmed by measuring the density. Again, it would be interesting if you would do the same for your donor, cause it would end that 'yes/no' game.

If I had gone for FUE and this is the last time I'm saying this, then I wouldn't have been able to extract more than 2500 grafts which if I were lucky would generate 2 hairs per graft. So 5000 hairs MAX.

I think when doctors said that you couldn't miss more than 2500 grafts, they were talking about hitting the point of donor depletion. Which, again, I think you're past already. So I think HASCI gave you more than other doctors advised, depleting donor, something the other doctors wouldnt do. And that could very well explain that 1700 extra hair difference. Keep in mind on 200 cm2 donor that's just 8.5 hairs/cm2. So if your current donor density is at about 117 hairs/cm2 (I think it's possibly even lower), then that explained that 1700 hair difference already. No regrowth at all there in that case.