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any news from what was supposed to be brought to forum community by HASCI and Gho?
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Hey caddarik ! You must have missed this post: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpos...3&postcount=69 -
thank you very much Arashi, you are a very helping member and person.
I would say, some of their answers make totally sense, some others not.
I am very curious about their 70 person test. what is it for?
I can stand bye another one or two years, my 1st HST brought me some bridging? what about you?
and I am investing in real estate, a very good deal... so my head will be busy in other stuffs... but I will keep reading and posting, this is the best place on the internet to learn new things and not commit mistakes!!!!
I feel between you and IM... cause sometimes IM also convinced me... I don't see him as a blind fan... just he has some faith, you have some doubts... maybe december will bring clarity...
Hairs are not everything, but I'm like everyone here, I will ****ing get crazy excited the day I know I can safely reverse my shitty Norwood ;-)Comment
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Real instate, nice, I'm currently just starting a project myself too, going to realize a 14 apartment complex in Medellin, Colombia, dirt cheap over there and the market is booming. We should meet up one day and talk real estate and hairloss haha
Anyway regarding the day we can reverse our Norwoods, we'll have to wait a few more years but I'm 100% sure we're close and it's coming. A very important speech will be the one from Jahoda's group in 3 months at WCHR 2014, hopefully they have some good news for us.
Good luck with everything !Comment
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I can't believe that HASCI came up with a lame "we won't prove it to you because you won't believe us anyway" excuse. FFS, that's snake-oil salesman speak. I've lost what minuscule remaining respect I had for HASCI.Comment
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I know man. Really what kind of argument is that ? They dont have to prove anything cause there will always be doubters ? If somebody says that in the future, believe me, there will be 99% chance it's a scammer indeed. If a company has something that really works, there's nothing they will like more than showing that it really works.
And then to think I once was defending this company ... It makes me sick.Comment
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Come one, everybody knows that you once even defended guys like Dr. Nigam (and I "should jumb into Nigams boat too" lol), as some guys at HS still do - you know, the ones you blame now and call them ugly things ... but that doesn't makes me sick; just vindicted.
By the way, initially, as far as I remember, they didn't have any problems at all to perform such test procedures - I'm talking about James Bold's case, for instance. They didn't even have any problems at all to publish the by far best and legit HST petri dish photo (the one with lots of transected grafts), among many other high resolution photos of this test procedure. And what happend?
Like in the past, they just got once again vindicted; doing something like this via online forums ends just always up in an useless desaster, which just does more harm than good...
But FACT is, nobody can blame them insofar concerning this "50 grafts test" issue, that they didn't tried it, initially - period.Comment
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I never 'defended' Nigam. I said he was doing interesting tests and that we needed more proof before we could really call him out loud a scammer. Once it was very clear that there was not a possibility anymore that he was NOT a scammer, I called him out.
You on the other hand still believe in HASCI's 80% regrowth, even after all the proof we now have against them. You didnt need such proof in Nigam's case ! You called him a scammer from day one. While there's WAY more proof against HASCI right now than there was against Nigam on day 1.
They did even two 50 graft tests. However they "accidentally" some how messed up both and didnt show us any good photo's. When we started that thing, I remember people were concerned about HASCI not shooting good photo's etc, so people like JJJJrS put up a list of things that were important. It included really everything anyone needs to know on how to perform such a test in such a way that they cant screw up and the test would yield conclusive proof. I forwarded that list to Kristel. She replied something along the lines of "yeah of course we know and we dont need people to tell us how to do our work". Then, they DID mess up, at least, they showed us horrible photo's that were impossible to use. We complained, they agreed to do it again, but this time with a professional photographer and even a TV team. Again, they never showed us good photo's, but only some blurry ones that were impossible to use.By the way, initially, as far as I remember, they didn't have any problems at all to perform such test procedures - I'm talking about James Bold's case, for instance.
Can this be a coincidence ? Can they be really THAT stupid to just accidentally screw up such test twice ? Even after we made a 'how to do this correctly list for dummies' ? Or, MUCH more likely, exactly like Dr Nigam, did they simply not WANT to show us good photo's ? Exactly like they dont want a 50 graft test right now ?Comment
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If I were to put up a 101 list on how to detect a scammer, the number one rule would be:
"The company claims to have created a hairloss cure and thus claims success were everybody else failed, but they're somehow too stupid to figure out how to shoot good photos and/or dont know how to find a professional photographer to do it".
Going to bookmark this post, I have a feeling I'm going to need to use it in the future
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Pffffffffffft .... come on - should I post some of your "Nigam-fan-posts"??
Oh, really? "WAY more proof ...". If so, what the hell are you still doing here, if there is so much proof? And why still your interest in a 50-grafts-test if there is so much proof that it doesn't work??
And where is your so-called "proof" at all, when there is soooo much proof that it doesn't work? Let me and others know ...
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The fact that they won't offer the 50 graft test, no matter how much money you give them, tells me everything I need to know.
Before a patient commits to a procedure like this, they have every right to undergo a small patch-test to evaluate things before making such a commitment. It doesn't even have to be 50 grafts. Why not 10-20 grafts to test the suitability of a candidate? That HASCI would refuse to preform a small test procedures like this indicates to me that they know the procedure doesn't work like they claim.Comment
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Sure, go ahead and show me posts where I confirmed that Nigam was for real. Good luck with that !
Just to summarize some of the facts that we know now:where is your so-called "proof" at all, when there is soooo much proof that it doesn't work? Let me and others know ..
1) Gaz analysis showed regrowth to be in the 0-38% range, where 0% was equally possible as 38%.
2) They dont want to do a 50 graft test, even if offered 3000 euro
3) They 'magically failed to show usable photo's for their previous 50 graft test, even after we made a checklist for dummies and even the second time !
4) After all these years we've seen NO result that couldnt be achieved with simple FUE
5) None of the celebs went there for more than a couple times
6) They even advise a max of 3 HST's per patient and then evaluate if they can go on. If 80% regrowth was true the average patient could go even more than 25x times and donor would still look untouched.
7) No other clinic ever could repeat what they claim to do. Even Nigam, who tried to copy cat them and used a microscope to achieve more accurate splitting (gho does it blind), failed miserably. But there were other doctors looking into this, none ever repeated success. While their technique is actually very simple and very well described in their publication.
8. They tell NW2's with GOOD donor (their own words) not to go beyond 25 gr/cm2 on the temples cause supposedly there's not enough hair in donor. If 80% regrowth were true, that wouldn't be a problem at all.
It's mostly 'cirumstancial' proof, just like we had from Nigam. But it has piled up now in the recent year to the point that it seem highly unlikely that there's something real here.Comment
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BTW, their biggest argument in our dicussion was "We dont need to prove anything, cause we already have posted proof in the British Journal of Dermatology which is much more relevant than a single case".
I was just re-reading it again. This is the whole paper: http://www.hasci.com/uploads/files/N..._treatment.pdf
They posted the 'proof' in figure 6 on page 8, in the form of pre-op, post-op and 1 year post op photo's (of just a single case, LOL). I was just trying to match grafts but man it's impossible. These photo's are way too blurry. Gho told me "Yeah the people from that Journal looked very well at the photo's and concluded it was real". Man I would love to talk to those people ! Cause from these blurry photo's it's impossible to conclude ANYTHING at all. I can't even say for sure it's the same area !!
It's amazing to me. Gaz shot 10x better photo's with a $100 cheap ass cam. His photo's were very usuable to do an analysis. But the British Journal of Dermatology accepts these kind of blurry shitty and useless photo's ? What a joke ! And where are the recipient photo's anyway ? This is Dr Nigam standard. Who is btw going to do 2 presentations at WCHR 2014. I'm sure after that he'll claim: I dont need to prove anything anymore, they let me talk at WCHR 2014 ! If anything all this proves is that organizations like this can be tricked easily. Which was also confirmed btw with that stem cell scandal 2 weeks ago ! Exactly the same thing !Comment
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"He lost his university position and his two important papers on embryonic stem cell research had to be retracted from the journal Science"
It's my opinion that it's time they retract Gho's papers too. How the hell they can accept blurry pictures like those is really beyond me. Just wanted to post the above link to show that it's obviously not impossible to trick scientific journals and post fake results. Another striking similarity: after the publication of that stem cell paper collegue's tried to repeat it and they all failed. Exactly like everybody else failed at regenerating follicles in donor by taking part of the FU away. How the hell is it possible that something so simple and which forms a cure for hairloss, NOBODY could repeat ? A lot of doctors tried it (nigam, Mousseigne, Mwamba etc), they all failed. And there are other FUE clinics (even Turkish ones) using 0.6 mm bores as a standard, same as HASCI. This should yield regen too. However NOBODY ever repeated success.
And same thing: what the hell is Nigam even going to do presenting at WCHR 2014 !?!?! How can they even accept him there ?Comment
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