HASCI breaktrough information, when?

[Arashi]

And you know, dear Ironman, what's also an interesting fact ? Let's look at someone with a bad donor. Literature states 65-85 grafts/cm2, so a bad donor would have 65. That means he has 15 grafts/cm2 available for transplant, so 15*2.5*200 = 7500 hairs for transplant. That would mean, that WITHOUT REGROWTH, this guy could go 7500/(1600*1.35) = 3.4x to HASCI and his donor would still look untouched. Now that's exactly what HASCI advises per standard: go 3x times and evaluate if you can go after that.

In other words,if they'd KNEW there was 0 regrowth at all, then what would they advise to a random person in general ? Yup, go 3x times (donor would still look untouched, even for somebody with a bad donor), and evalute after that It's EXACTLY what Kristel even admitted: after more than 3x, donor can start to look unnatural thin at HASCI.

So, if we assume there's no regrowth at all, then everything adds up. On the other hand, if you do assume there's 80% regrowth then, how exactly would you explain all this ? well I'll wait for your explanation there

[Arashi]

Whoops, I see I made a little mistake, average of 65-85 is of course 75. That means an average person can even go more times !! I'll let you calculate how many times an average person can go to HASCI, but it's going to be even a bit more

But again, a person with bad donor can go 3x, without regrowth donor still looks untouched. A guy with GOOD donor (85gr/cm2) could even go 8x and without regrowth, his donor would still look untouched.

Well then, just for the fun of it: the average person would then of course be able to go 5.8x to HASCI, donor would still look untouched. If 80% regrowth was true, the average person could not just go 6x to HASCI, but he could go 29x to hasci

Of course, that's assuming that regrown hairs can always be re-used, one might argue that that's not the case, but still, you get the idea (although ... lol)

And just because I think you're going to make exactly that point: IF every hair could only be transplanted once (so regrown hair wouldnt be available for transplant), then the average person could still go 75 * 2.5 * 200 / 1600*1,35 = 17.1x to HASCI. And his donor would still have a density far above the 50 graft/cm2 (in fact it would be 80% * 75 = 60 graft/cm2) That is of course, if the 80% regrowth was true and not just some fairytale

[534623]

Did you notice that too?

The guy (who needs almost always 2-3 posts one after another until he knows himself what he actually is trying to say) says always “we know”.

Yup...

[caddarik79]

it is hard to deny that Arashi is asking very legit and relevant questions and that we never see anyone (including you IL) answer this.

Again, I told HASCI that it would be so much easier if they were providing the 9 procedures man's picture... and that of course, it looks very suspicious that "oooowww yeah, we have a 9 procedures patient BUT you can not see it"...

[534623]

Again, I told HASCI that it would be so much easier if they were providing the 9 procedures man's picture... and that of course, it looks very suspicious that "oooowww yeah, we have a 9 procedures patient BUT you can not see it"...

Exactly!

Try to imagine - thereafter, guys like hellouser, JJJrS, Arashi and many others would immediately buy 9 HST procedures too!

In fact, I think they would even buy 25 (!!!!!) HST procedures as soon as they can see photos of a HST patient who bought 9 HST procedures! Immediately!

[cocacola]

The funny thing is that what arashi says makes sense as well. On the other hand we had analysis that indicated that regrowth may be occuring. Also, gc'c case is a + in hasci regen theory.

The bottom line is that until we get a 50 graft test or until gc gets a 9th hst and spikes up a mohawk, regeneration/lack of will remain a mystery.

I am really looking forward to know what hasci will answer to arashi. Keep us posted.

[ss1980]

Example: if dr cole starts offering his own version of splitting technique, he could easily extract 5000-6000 grafts without any scarring? How is that different from ghos hst?

As somebody mentioned 6000 split graft will never damage donor.

Im thinking all this bullcrap about small sessions and wait 9 months is smoke n mirrors, hasci could give you 4000 grafts over 2 days n result woukd be the same


Why it is takin them so long to answer, aint they happy with offer or?

[Arashi]

it is hard to deny that Arashi is asking very legit and relevant questions and that we never see anyone (including you IL) answer this.

IM is too busy with his I/you/we thing which to him is much more important than discussing regrowth. Don't expect any comments regarding the important things from him. He knows I'm right and can't bring up anything against what I just posted, simple fact, so dont count on that to happen.

[Arashi]

Im thinking all this bullcrap about small sessions and wait 9 months is smoke n mirrors, hasci could give you 4000 grafts over 2 days n result woukd be the same

Exactly my idea !! That, plus another key to their 'secret' is the low hair/graft number, which results in the fact that clients can go more often to HASCI and get more grafts than they get from other clinics. This gives them the illusion that it must work, while in fact, they just get less hair, for more money.

I just watched my own hair today, usually I shave it at about 3 mm but it's a bit longer now, probably about 8mm and already it looks horribly thin ... So thin that I don't want to wear it like this and I'll have to keep shaving it to 3mm because then it's not obvious that it's so thin. That's of course because it were 1600 grafts which at 1.35 hair/graft translates to roughly only 2100 hairs (which at 2.5 hair/graft would be only about 850 grafts), which isnt enough, by far, to lower a hairline 2 cm and fill up temples too.

[ss1980]

That is other thing about hst, 35 1.35 grafts is not enough to let your hair grow longer than few mm, I could just imagine how thin that is whan the sun shines above your head. You are forced to shave to the bone or close to it which defeats purpose of ht, some people might like it but majority wantd hair. You see nw6 would need 15 000 hasci grafts to receive equivalent to abt 8 000 strip grafts, n that is some kind of see-thru coverage...we knw hasci cant give that to anybody, they advize 3-4 sessions n thats it, even if money is not an issue(dean s for xampl)

Yes ironman seems to get more upset about unimportant things such as i/you/we than abt real issues

[Arashi]

That is other thing about hst, 35 1.35 grafts is not enough to let your hair grow longer than few mm, I could just imagine how thin that is whan the sun shines above your head. You are forced to shave to the bone or close to it which defeats purpose of ht, some people might like it but majority wantd hair.

Man, it's way too thin already in non sunlight. Here's a picture I just shot (click on it to zoom) -> http://cdn.imghack.se/images/0c69f55...098112a7a5.jpg (also notice how Kristel messed up a lot of the angles of the hair ! It's what they call a bad transplant result)

If I shoot a picture in direct sunlight, it's like there's no hair on my temples at all ...

The only thing I can do is either go back for another session (which is what HASCI generally advices) or keep cutting my hair at 3 mm, which looks better. Again, all this can be explained if you look at the low hair/graft number they transplant. To fill up your temples and lower hairline with 2-3 cm you need a LOT more than 850 grafts (which equals effectively the 1600 HST grafts).

So it's not just that you CAN go back more times to HASCI, you actually NEED to go back more times to get a decent density ..

[ss1980]

Angles are pretty bad, she screwed it up as it is her job to get hair grow in natural direction, I see that happens a lot with bht but here theres no excuse. Hair cant go in all different directions especially not in hairline. Poor artistic skills no doubt.Since you are paying top buck I would expect they do better job, graft placement is v important n often overlooked by many clinics and hair caliber missmatch(hair at the back is much thicker than existing hair at top)

[Arashi]

Angles are pretty bad, she screwed it up as it is her job to get hair grow in natural direction, I see that happens a lot with bht but here theres no excuse. Hair cant go in all different directions especially not in hairline. Poor artistic skills no doubt.Since you are paying top buck I would expect they do better job, graft placement is v important n often overlooked by many clinics and hair caliber missmatch(hair at the back is much thicker than existing hair at top)

Yup agreed, artistically very poor result. Not sure if I'd ever go back to hasci, it depends on future developments of other techiques, but I sure as hell wont go back to Kristel (Deborah and Gho himself seem to be a lot better)

[JJJJrS]

Im thinking all this bullcrap about small sessions and wait 9 months is smoke n mirrors, hasci could give you 4000 grafts over 2 days n result woukd be the same

This is what I have suspected for a long time now as well.

That is other thing about hst, 35 1.35 grafts is not enough to let your hair grow longer than few mm, I could just imagine how thin that is whan the sun shines above your head. You are forced to shave to the bone or close to it which defeats purpose of ht, some people might like it but majority wantd hair. You see nw6 would need 15 000 hasci grafts to receive equivalent to abt 8 000 strip grafts, n that is some kind of see-thru coverage...we knw hasci cant give that to anybody, they advize 3-4 sessions n thats it, even if money is not an issue(dean s for xampl)

Another good point.

Sure, you get a visibly scarless result with HST but it comes at a cost and that cost is less hairs per graft. This means thinner results. It's great that they give clients the ability to shave/buzz their hair after a procedure, but the question is, is that worth the thinner results, especially when there's unlikely to be any hair multiplication.

[JJJJrS]

Man, it's way too thin already in non sunlight. Here's a picture I just shot (click on it to zoom) -> http://cdn.imghack.se/images/0c69f55...098112a7a5.jpg (also notice how Kristel messed up a lot of the angles of the hair ! It's what they call a bad transplant result)

If I shoot a picture in direct sunlight, it's like there's no hair on my temples at all ...

The only thing I can do is either go back for another session (which is what HASCI generally advices) or keep cutting my hair at 3 mm, which looks better. Again, all this can be explained if you look at the low hair/graft number they transplant. To fill up your temples and lower hairline with 2-3 cm you need a LOT more than 850 grafts (which equals effectively the 1600 HST grafts).

So it's not just that you CAN go back more times to HASCI, you actually NEED to go back more times to get a decent density ..

Yeah, unfortunately it's not a great result at the moment for the reasons you mentioned. And that's sort of the problem with hair transplants - the never-ending treadmill. You can always use more...