HASCI breaktrough information, when?

[JJJJrS]

Only people with an agenda would be against the 50 graft test. Wonder why HASCI is so hesitant to do it...

[Arashi]

Did you notice that too?

The guy (who needs almost always 2-3 posts one after another until he knows himself what he actually is trying to say) says always “we know”.

No, he doesn’t simply say “I know…”. He always needs an imaginary “we” in a vague effort to strengthen his unsupported claims….LOL

For example, check out one of his last posts …



Concerning his last part, it clearly shows …

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=160575&postcount=207

… that this guys’ problem is definitely not just hair loss. Besides the fact, that this is, for example…

http://s1.directupload.net/images/140112/otaesz2j.jpg

…definitely NOT what “they” recommend "on general", because “they” recommended me 5 HST’s “in order to achieve my desired result” even BEFORE making any HST extractions at all!

Concerning his other part, he still tries to pretend there is something “fishy” and “we” should know this...

Sorry, but when I look at my own HST data …


… I do not need any imaginary “we” to know ...

- any HST facts from any imaginary “we” in general;

- or whether or not a "1.35 hairs/graft" ratio is a good or bad or a "fishy" thing;

- or whether or not I can have even a 6th and perhaps even a 7th HST procedure than the by “they” recommended 5 HSTs (see 2nd link/pic above),

...and thereafter (even after having 7 HSTs), my donor area will still NOT look like than after having just one normal FUE procedure with around the max. possible 3000-3500 normal FUE grafts - at least in my case. And the recipient will also be accordingly thereafter…because I simply know all this already in advance. That means, sorry, I do not need any imaginary "we" to know facts ...

Not sure what you're trying to say ? You actually even confirm my own findings, you too only have 1.35 hair/graft gotten from HASCI. So that means you can go 5 times to HASCI for 1600 grafts, and even WITHOUT any regeneration AT ALL your donor still would look good, if you have an average donor. A guy with good donor should be able to go 6-8 times and still have good donor WITHOUT regeneration. Yet their standard advise is to go 3 times and then see if you can go more. How is that not fishy ?

If 80% regeneration was true, that would mean an average person could go 25x (!!!!!) times to HASCI before donor is depleted. Yet, they advise 3x. Yeah that sure must add up in Ironman land ?

[hellouser]

If 80% regeneration was true, that would mean an average person could go 25x (!!!!!) times to HASCI before donor is depleted. Yet, they advise 3x. Yeah that sure must add up in Ironman land ?

Weeks, months.... YEARS have passed by with these questions and HASCI has still not addressed this. At some point, they're going to have to be completely dismissed and be seen as standard FUE thats scarless dubious claims of regeneration.

[Arashi]

Weeks, months.... YEARS have passed by with these questions and HASCI has still not addressed this. At some point, they're going to have to be completely dismissed and be seen as standard FUE thats scarless dubious claims of regeneration.

It doesn't add up at all. Nothing does. And then I mail them that I want a 50 graft test, even willing to pay 1000 euro's for it. What would you answer if you were an honest researcher, 100% sure his methods work ? Wouldn't that be like a gift from heaven ? Free money, free marketing, no even marketing and getting paid for it ! Yet they mail me to wait ... Been waiting for over a month now ... I'm pretty sure they're trying to hold if off as long as they can and in the end will come up with some BS reason why they can't do it.

[hellouser]

It doesn't add up at all. Nothing does. And then I mail them that I want a 50 graft test, even willing to pay 1000 euro's for it. What would you answer if you were an honest researcher, 100% sure his methods work ? Wouldn't that be like a gift from heaven ? Free money, free marketing, no even marketing and getting paid for it ! Yet they mail me to wait ... Been waiting for over a month now ... I'm pretty sure they're trying to hold if off as long as they can and in the end will come up with some BS reason why they can't do it.

A legit doctor would perform the test for FREE! If Gho is so sure about his claims, he'll have NO problems at all about proving his method.

It's like religious people being offended when someone questions their belief. So what if they're questioned... if they're so sure of their faith, wouldn't they welcome the questioning in order to strengthen their stance?

That said, shouldn't Gho have done something a long ass time ago with all the questioning and criticisms of this? What's he got to lose if his method is legit?

[cocacola]

If eventually we find out that they bsed us, can we do a huge law suit lol?

[hellouser]

If eventually we find out that they bsed us, can we do a huge law suit lol?

You should.

[greatjob!]

HASCI = splitting hairs, period end of story. Ironman take your fanboyism somewhere else...

[elvispresley]

It doesn't add up at all. Nothing does. And then I mail them that I want a 50 graft test, even willing to pay 1000 euro's for it. What would you answer if you were an honest researcher, 100% sure his methods work ? Wouldn't that be like a gift from heaven ? Free money, free marketing, no even marketing and getting paid for it ! Yet they mail me to wait ... Been waiting for over a month now ... I'm pretty sure they're trying to hold if off as long as they can and in the end will come up with some BS reason why they can't do it.

this words are a perfect analysis ihmo.
i take occasion to remember that we are fighting for the truth.
and to see the truth and remove the lies of greed (easily accepted from many people) we HAVE TO BE UNITE.
i want to say again to Arashi that you are doing a good job. and i can clearly see that is SPONTANEUS from inside you. and this is the reason why you are doing so good.
PLEASE LET THE TRUTH SEEKER UPDATED with your findings and researches. and especially put the LIGHT on HASCI because too long time is passed and the only thing they proved is that they are expensive and are the best scareless fue . and this is not what they claimed. the words doesnt go with the facts.

thanks a lot we will find the truth.

[ss1980]

this words are a perfect analysis ihmo.
i take occasion to remember that we are fighting for the truth.
and to see the truth and remove the lies of greed (easily accepted from many people) we HAVE TO BE UNITE.
i want to say again to Arashi that you are doing a good job. and i can clearly see that is SPONTANEUS from inside you. and this is the reason why you are doing so good.
PLEASE LET THE TRUTH SEEKER UPDATED with your findings and researches. and especially put the LIGHT on HASCI because too long time is passed and the only thing they proved is that they are expensive and are the best scareless fue . and this is not what they claimed. the words doesnt go with the facts.

thanks a lot we will find the truth.

Arashy
You can offer them €2000 for 50 grafts and they will still refuse to do it. Think abt all the lawsuits that would follow..they even removed 80% claim from website so I heard

[534623]

..they even removed 80% claim from website so I heard

Pffffft...Sorry, but I can't remember that they EVER had any "80% claim" anywhere at their website or in bold letters anywhere within their website header or something like that. If it would be true - someone (especially those who make these claims) would be able to post what they supposedly "removed". That means, otherwise there would be no need just to say "I heard" ...

[534623]

Only people with an agenda would be against the 50 graft test. Wonder why HASCI is so hesitant to do it...

Yeah, and when it is successful, everybody will buy it - including you, of course, right? Right.

[534623]

Not sure what you're trying to say ?

That's the reason why I didn't say anything TO YOU. Did I? No.

[534623]

If 80% regeneration was true, that would mean an average person could go 25x (!!!!!) times to HASCI before donor is depleted. Yet, they advise 3x. Yeah that sure must add up in Ironman land ?

First, try to define for "we" the term "depleted" (if you find any accurate definiton) and then try to explain "we" in detail how you calculated to get your " 25x (!!!!!) " BS - because that's exactly the point what "we" still don't understand - including yourself. Thanks in advance.

"Yet, they advise 3x..." Yeah, sure... they "advise". Sure ...they do...

Btw - are you still able to explain "we" again WHY they sometimes "advice" it?

Ah, I think I will try to help you (and "we"):

I've gotten an answer from Kristel too, regarding my question about the max 3 HST's. She explained it like this: They advise to do 3 HST's. After this, density in donor might visibly drop, hence they evaluate the donor at this point and make a plan from thereon.

So it seems they're saying that you generally can get 3 HST's without any visible density loss in donor and after that, results really vary from patient to patient and they have to evaluate at that point.

So it's all about why 80% is NOT 100%. But this is the BTT forum. That means, I do not expect that "we" is able to see a difference between 80% and 100% ...

[Arashi]

how you calculated to get your " 25x (!!!!!) "

Sure dear Ironman, I understand it's all a bit difficult for you so I'll to explain it in a very easy way. It's actually not that difficult to calculate at all. As per literature, the average grafts/cm2 in healthy scalp varies between 65 and 85 grafts/cm2. Literature also tells us that the average hairs per graft is said to be 2.5 hairs/graft. The average donor size, that I don't know exactly, couldn't find any numbers, but I estimate it to be about 200 cm2 and I think that's fairly accurate.

It's generally accepted that to have a normal looking density, you shouldn't go below 50 grafts/cm2. Average of 65 and 85 is 70, that means that the average person can lose 70 - 50 = 20 grafts/cm2. More than that will cause unnatural low looking density. So that's 20 * 200 * 2.5 = 10.000 hairs that an average person has available for transplantation.

The average that HASCI seems to transplant per treatment is about 1600 grafts. We both agree that that equals to 1600 * 1.35 = 2160 hairs that they'd normal transplant each HST. So, without regeneration you could go 10.000/2160 = 4.63 times to HASCI for 1600 grafts and your donor would still look untouched.

I rounded that number down to 5, but let's keep it at 4.62 here, to be more precise. If 80% regrowth was true, then you'd lose 20% of the hair that's transplanted, each time. So that means you could go 5x more than when you'd have 0 regrowth (I think you understand that, right, but if not, no worries just ask, I'll be happy to explain that too). So, without rounding down, that would be 4.63 * 5 = 23.1x to HASCI for 1600 grafts and your donor would still look natural.

In other words, if 80% regrowth was true, the average person could go 23x to HASCI and his donor would still look untouched Yet, they advise the average person to go 3 times and evaluate after that, to see if they can go for more. How exactly does that up in Ironman land ?