HISTORY of gc83uk's former slick bald recipient area

[gc83uk]

That 300 cm2 was just a wild guess, not based on actual numbers. Then you started showing us what 1 cm2 was. I don't doubt you're speaking the trugh. I'm just saying, it's impossible to put 100 times that area onto your scalp and think you would just fill up the bald area. It's way way way bigger than that. That's all I'm saying.

How big an area would you say the MPB area is either side of my forelock that they have put grafts into?

[Arashi]

How big an area would you say the MPB area is either side of my forelock that they have put grafts into?

Not sure what you mean here ?

[gc83uk]

Not sure what you mean here ?

You know that I have had grafts put outside of the original bald area, right?

[Arashi]

You know that I have had grafts put outside of the original bald area, right?

You said they placed a few outside them. Where exactly and how much of an area is that ? I was just talking about your bald area. That can't be much bigger than 65 cm, if that piece of paper is 1 cm.

[gc83uk]

You said they placed a few outside them. Where exactly and how much of an area is that ? I was just talking about your bald area. That can't be much bigger than 65 cm, if that piece of paper is 1 cm.

Right listen up, the wig was 10cm and 11cm circle, 100%, it would never be exact each time cos the company that made them always screwed up to my annoyance. I often had to pull it/ stretch it to make it cover the whole area. So that gives you an idea of the scarred area.

The other area is to the left and right of my forelock,particularly the left, this is outside the bald area. It wasn't done with stick and place method and was much quicker for them, I think they put about 300 in there, will need to check though.

[gc83uk]

Also think about it, I'm going to post a photo tomorrow showing at least 85cm2 some how, I wouldn't say this if I couldn't prove it, I'd look stupid.

[Arashi]

LOL, I'm still thinking about it, gaz. How many grafts did you get in total now after your 4 HST's ?

[didi]

Gc

http://postimg.org/image/4mn9yz8jh/

This pic show you cant fit 85-100 squares.


6cm x 7cm tops

[Arashi]

Gc

http://postimg.org/image/4mn9yz8jh/

This pic show you cant fit 85-100 squares.


6cm x 7cm tops

Hehe. I just can't get it out of my mind. Gaz sounds so certain, he must be right. But then, how to explain those differences ? I really don't see it. If that square is really 1 cm, I don't see how you could ever get to 100 cm2.

[Arashi]

Ok, one thing I figured that skewed Gc's number seems to hold true: Gaz counted hairs in that cm2 but these contains hair originating elsewhere. And most of them are single hair grafts.

I counted 2 area's, one contained 45 *hairs* (not grafts) and the other 50 hairs (not grafts).

http://postimg.org/image/a9y5ilred/

This at least explains to me the discrepancy: usually people say that with 50 *grafts*/cm2 you have a full head of hair. This doesn't look anywhere near that and that's to the fact there are not 50 grafts (which normally would be 125 hairs) but only 50 hairs, which is average for 20 FUE grafs/cm2. This at least explains why his scalp doesn't look like a full head of hair.

Usually people say that 30 grafts/cm2 (at 2.5 hair/graft) can give the *illusion* of a full head of hair. Gaz would thus need about 33% more hair for that.

But then again, looking at the pics I find it hard to imagine that with only 33% more hair this could give the illusion of a normal density scalp.

[Arashi]

And also, even if the area would be 100 cm, that would be 2000 FUE grafts (and really I still think the area is smaller). So again, I don't see how this couldn't be achieved with regular FUE.

[Arashi]

LOL, of course he'd need 50% more to go from 20 to 30

[gc83uk]

right then let's have it....

[gc83uk]

Arashi said he would be surprised if the area was greater than approx 65cm2, correct me if I'm wrong.

We've already established that it's 11cm across, which Arashi seems to have acknowledged, the unknown was the vertical measurement. However Arashi gave the impression it was around 7.6 cm vertically.

I've taken this 7.6cm from the guestimate of 65cm2 of his total area guestimate. The area of an oval (eclipse) is 3.14 * 5.5cm (50% of the 11cm) * 3.8cm (this is 50% of Arashi's guestimated vertical height of the bald area). Which comes to approx 65cm2

It can be clearly seen from the following photos that it's a bare minumum of 10cm, and from the top left area to the bottom right, it's just shy of 15cm.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1r4wzmddj8lszkk/20131006_032148.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ramul9f2lhdghm2/20131006_032244.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyvbidd98m32izc/20131006_031147.jpg

Let's be conservative and assume the avg Diameter is 11cm, you could easily call it 12cm avg, this would give is an area of 95cm2 for 11cm2 and for 12cm2 it would be 113cm2.

There is also the area beyond this scarring alopecia area which they have inserted around 300 grafts, so for arguments sake we will ignore this and deduct these grafts from the overall (4900) and conclude that there is approx 4600 grafts within this 95cm2 area / 113cm2 area, however if we were to include this area also, we'd be looking at an additional 15cm2.
Heaven forbid 130cm2!!!!!

I'm not claiming I have 50 grafts in each and every square cm2, I'm claiming **** all, I'm simply claiming that the bald area is a minimum 95cm2 according to the above, nothing else care to agree or disagree so we can move on to a more productive conversation.

[Arashi]

Arashi said he would be surprised if the area was greater than approx 65cm2, correct me if I'm wrong.

We've already established that it's 11cm across, which Arashi seems to have acknowledged, the unknown was the vertical measurement. However Arashi gave the impression it was around 7.6 cm vertically.

I've taken this 7.6cm from the guestimate of 65cm2 of his total area guestimate. The area of an oval (eclipse) is 3.14 * 5.5cm (50% of the 11cm) * 3.8cm (this is 50% of Arashi's guestimated vertical height of the bald area). Which comes to approx 65cm2

It can be clearly seen from the following photos that it's a bare minumum of 10cm, and from the top left area to the bottom right, it's just shy of 15cm.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1r4wzmddj8lszkk/20131006_032148.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ramul9f2lhdghm2/20131006_032244.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyvbidd98m32izc/20131006_031147.jpg

Let's be conservative and assume the avg Diameter is 11cm, you could easily call it 12cm avg, this would give is an area of 95cm2 for 11cm2 and for 12cm2 it would be 113cm2.

There is also the area beyond this scarring alopecia area which they have inserted around 300 grafts, so for arguments sake we will ignore this and deduct these grafts from the overall (4900) and conclude that there is approx 4600 grafts within this 95cm2 area / 113cm2 area, however if we were to include this area also, we'd be looking at an additional 15cm2.
Heaven forbid 130cm2!!!!!

I'm not claiming I have 50 grafts in each and every square cm2, I'm claiming **** all, I'm simply claiming that the bald area is a minimum 95cm2 according to the above, nothing else care to agree or disagree so we can move on to a more productive conversation.

Maybe I'm missing what you're saying here. But I see a circle/eclipse with a diameter varying between about 4.5 and 5.5 cm. Let's assume 5 cm on average, so that would be 78 cm2, right ? What am I missing here ?