Let's compare Gaz donor pre-op 2012 and post-op 2013, no?

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  • Arashi
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 3888

    #76
    Originally posted by gc83uk
    lol I bet my life it's not 6cm vertical. You wanna bet? I'll say 10cm and you say 6cm.

    10K on it, yeah, closest wins?
    LOL, you seem too confident to my likings here for a 10k bet, Gaz But really ... If that part is 10 cm, then I don't see how your bald area could be beyond 70 cm2.

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      #77
      Originally posted by didi
      So how big was GCs bald area?
      36,60, 90,100cm2?
      Just judging by the pre-op photo and we now know that the longest part is about 10 cm, I'd say 60-70 cm2.

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      • Arashi
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 3888

        #78
        Look at this:



        If the red line is 10 cm, then how long is the green line (beware of the curve in the red line!) ? About 4 cm ? I just don't see how you could get to 100 cm2 that way ? Seems more like 65 cm2 to me.

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        • cocacola
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 222

          #79
          Guys are you ****ing serious??? you think that by taking a flat cm2 and extrapolating it downwards you will get the length of the bald spot?? you forget about the angle at which the picture was shot and the round shape of the head.

          Also i dont think that you can calculate the total amount of new hair from hst by taking 1 cm2 and multiplying by problem area. His 1st hst was concentrated in a smaller area. Then, as he mentioned, more was placed in front than back. Therefore, density must be varied across the scalp.

          Donor looks very fine btw, there are some patchy spots that appear depleted near the ear on one of the sides, but i dont think thats from hst. They dont extract from one little spot everything . Extractions are very spread out with hasci. If gc could maybe post some donor pics from previous ops and we could compare a certain location that has old and new pics.

          As i mentioned earlier, myself when i was going for hst i sort of thought of it as a "scarless, less invasive, fast healing optimal redistribution of hair" with possible side effect of regeneration. The only thing that makes me believe there must be some sort of regen is gc's case.

          He has a lot of new hair on his previously bald spots and in my opinion donor looks still pretty good. How can arashi say that what he has on his head is equivalent of 800 fue grafts, you really must be extremely biased at this point.

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          • gc83uk
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1339

            #80
            Originally posted by Arashi
            LOL, you seem too confident to my likings here for a 10k bet, Gaz But really ... If that part is 10 cm, then I don't see how your bald area could be beyond 70 cm2.
            Now you're getting closer. The problem we have is the area is jagged, and for example the top left corner to the bottom right corner is something like 14cm, it's not straight forward.

            When I was in the wig place years and years ago they had this crazy method of working out the exact bald area, they would cover your head in cling film, they would ask me to pull either side really tight so it kinda stretched over my head and then they would cellotape over the cling film to firm it up and then of course I could let go. They would then use a marker pen and draw a circle of the bald area, take it off my head and then cut it out. I could do that, but it's probably going too far lol.

            You have to consider that they have also put a few hundred grafts outside the bald area, in the MPB areas which were not covered by the wig.

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            • Arashi
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 3888

              #81
              Originally posted by cocacola
              Guys are you ****ing serious??? you think that by taking a flat cm2 and extrapolating it downwards you will get the length of the bald spot??
              Yup. I don't know about your head, but usually if you take draw a line from crown to spot between your temples, it's going to be pretty flat, without curves.

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              • Arashi
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 3888

                #82
                Originally posted by gc83uk
                Now you're getting closer. The problem we have is the area is jagged, and for example the top left corner to the bottom right corner is something like 14cm, it's not straight forward.

                When I was in the wig place years and years ago they had this crazy method of working out the exact bald area, they would cover your head in cling film, they would ask me to pull either side really tight so it kinda stretched over my head and then they would cellotape over the cling film to firm it up and then of course I could let go. They would then use a marker pen and draw a circle of the bald area, take it off my head and then cut it out. I could do that, but it's probably going too far lol.

                You have to consider that they have also put a few hundred grafts outside the bald area, in the MPB areas which were not covered by the wig.

                Ok. So let's say 65 cm2 * 60 hairs/cm = 3900. Let's say they've put some outside, total would be 4500. That would make more sense indeed. That would equal about 1800 FUE grafts and that does make more sense than 800, hehe But still, perfectly possible without regrowth.

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                • gc83uk
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 1339

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Arashi
                  Look at this:



                  If the red line is 10 cm, then how long is the green line (beware of the curve in the red line!) ? About 4 cm ? I just don't see how you could get to 100 cm2 that way ? Seems more like 65 cm2 to me.
                  Two things I can say about that, the green line could easily extend another inch at least, because that hair from my crown area is covering some of the bald area.

                  Secondly, that green line is not going over the center of the circle. If you have a 10cm diameter circle and you draw the circle to the left or the right of the center then of course you won't get 10cm, you get that right?

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                  • Arashi
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 3888

                    #84
                    It's kind of interesting though, they always say that 75 hairs/cm2 should give you the illusion of a full scalp of hair. But judging by these pictures ... It just shows you need really a lot more to get a natural looking result. Probably 150 hairs/cm2 would be closer.

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                    • Arashi
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 3888

                      #85
                      Originally posted by gc83uk
                      Two thing I can say about that, the green line could easily extend another inch at least, because that hair from my crown area is covering some of the bald area.

                      Secondly, that green line is not going over the center of the circle. If you have a 10cm diameter circle and you draw the circle to the left or the right of the center then of course you won't get 10cm, you get that right?
                      I didn't plan for the green line to be in the middle, lol, just to give you an idea that it's nowhere near 100 cm2. Must be closer to 65-70 cm2.

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                      • didi
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1360

                        #86
                        65cm2. That's 46 grafts per cm2 before last procedure.

                        How many FUs are growing in 1 cm2?

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                        • Arashi
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 3888

                          #87
                          Look at this:



                          Red line is 10 cm. Blue line at best 7 cm (since red is curved, blue is not). The area is way less than square, so might be closer to 60 than 70 cm2.

                          65 cm2 seems to be a quite accurate assertion then. About 4000-4500 hairs in recipient, which is about a 1600-1800 FUE result. Your donor looks quite depleted by now, so I still don't see how this would be prove of any regrowth at all.

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                          • gc83uk
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 1339

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Arashi
                            Look at this:



                            Red line is 10 cm. Blue line at best 7 cm. The area is way less than square, so might be closer to 60 than 70 cm2.

                            65 cm2 seems to be a quite accurate assertion then. About 4000-4500 hairs in recipient, which is about a 1600-1800 FUE result. Your donor looks quite depleted by now, so I still don't see how this would be prove of any regrowth at all.
                            Why do you keep saying this, why not just wait for the next picture lol, you have simply ignored that I have said it can be 12cm in parts. Maybe even 14cm if I wanted to exaggerate the most severe point to point.

                            It's a bare minimum of 85cm2. Take this as fact, no need to guesstimate.

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                            • gc83uk
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 1339

                              #89
                              Also Arashi, if you take a look at those pictures Arashi which I posted before, the bald area probably starts before the 5cm mark, lets say 4.5cm. It ends on about 15.5cm, I don't think you can disagree with that, so thats about 11cm, I know for a fact that at other angles it can be as high as 14cm going diagonal from top right to bottom left (I think, or other way around).

                              With the bald areas in the MPB section near hairline then Plus the bare minimum 85cm2 Scarring Alopecia area, this is a minimum of 100cm2.

                              END OF.

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                              • Arashi
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 3888

                                #90
                                Originally posted by gc83uk
                                Why do you keep saying this, why not just wait for the next picture lol, you have simply ignored that I have said it can be 12cm in parts. Maybe even 14cm if I wanted to exaggerate the most swevere point to point.

                                It's a bare minimum of 85cm2. Take this as fact, no need to guesstimate.
                                Even if it's slightly longer, that area is nowhere near square. So still, how could it possibly be 100 cm 2?

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