Let's compare Gaz donor pre-op 2012 and post-op 2013, no?

[Arashi]

Now things look even worse, 15 grafts/cm2 and theres was 100cm2 bald spot,suggests many grafts didn't grow.

If the area is just 100 cm2 then I might actually have underestimated the size of the painted cm2. Ok, let's assume 20 hairs/cm2 then. That's 2000 hairs in recipient. But .... That's only 800 FUE grafts. So ... WTF !?!?

[Arashi]

Actually, the size of the square I drew, the bigger one, was about correct. Look at this:

http://s23.postimg.org/x1dvxsiyj/recipient2.jpg

It shows about 10 cm diameter, so 100 cm2. Now count the hairs *originating* in each square and count an average.

I will do that now but I don't think there are 20 hairs/cm there. Besides I'm pretty sure the square close to his right ear actually wasn't even bald from the start (so it skews the number).

[Arashi]

Just counted the hairs originating in those 10 boxes, very quickly I counted 196 hairs. So that would be about 20 hairs/cm2 and so about 2000 hairs in total ! That would equal the result of only 800 FUE grafts !! And that after 4 surgeries !?!?! WTF ?? This is even way worse than I thought ?!!?!

*EDIT* In all honesty, if you move the box a bit down you might get to a slightly higher number. But still, this really doesn't seem to be more than a 1000 FUE graft surgery result !?!?! Wow ... I'm flabbergausted. This is way worse than I had imagined. 4 surgeries to get to a 800-1000 FUE graft result ...

[didi]

I think your squares are correct size, not like GC suggests .5cm2, that would make GCs head size of tennis ball...5cm wide...

[Arashi]

I think your squares are correct size, not like GC suggests .5cm2, that would make GCs head size of tennis ball...5cm wide...

If the area is 100 cm2, like Gaz says it is (and he knows because that was the size of the hair piece), then the area I drew is correct and he has indeed about 2000 hairs in recipient now. I'm stunned. This is (way) beyond my worst expectations. 800-1000 FUE graft depleted his donor. So where's the regrowth now, Ironman ?

[didi]

many grafts didn't grow, should be 3 000 FUs and that's excluding last HST

[Arashi]

many grafts didn't grow, should be 3 000 FUs and that's excluding last HST

I think this is final evidence that there's just no regrowth at all. This is a regular 800-1000 FUE transplant result. Sure, without scars and that's a great thing. But it kind of pisses me off that HASCI screwed us all, advertising 80% regrowth, while there's actually none at all.

[didi]

No wonder IM never wanted to analyse recipient... HSTs achilles heel.

[gc83uk]

Actually, the size of the square I drew, the bigger one, was about correct. Look at this:

http://s23.postimg.org/x1dvxsiyj/recipient2.jpg

It shows about 10 cm diameter, so 100 cm2. Now count the hairs *originating* in each square and count an average.

I will do that now but I don't think there are 20 hairs/cm there. Besides I'm pretty sure the square close to his right ear actually wasn't even bald from the start (so it skews the number).

Dude, you have only covered half of my bald area to start with with those squares and you haven't took into consideration of the curvature of my head. Hold your horses, I've taken a couple of pics.

[Arashi]

Dude, you have only covered half of my bald area to start with with those squares and you haven't took into consideration of the curvature of my head. Hold your horses, I've taken a couple of pics.

?? When I compare the boxes I drew: http://s23.postimg.org/x1dvxsiyj/recipient2.jpg to your preop: http://s18.postimg.org/xbpuw9t5l/4246_image1.jpg it seems about correct ? The box closest to your right ear actually seems inside the area where you originally had hair.

There's the curve indeed, good point, but how much difference would that make ? 25% at most ? Probably less, right ?

But then, also keep in mind that when you draw a square 100 cm box by using the same diameter, then you actually will have quite a bit of area outside the original bald area. It seems about correct to me, but I always welcome to be proven wrong

[didi]

How about we count every single hair in recipient area?

Its not gonna be hard at all

[gc83uk]

?? When I compare the boxes I drew: http://s23.postimg.org/x1dvxsiyj/recipient2.jpg to your preop: http://s18.postimg.org/xbpuw9t5l/4246_image1.jpg it seems about correct ? The box closest to your right ear actually seems inside the area where you originally had hair.

There's the curve indeed, good point, but how much difference would that make ? 25% at most ? Probably less, right ?

But then, also keep in mind that when you draw a square 100 cm box by using the same diameter, then you actually will have quite a bit of area outside the original bald area.

Trust me for now, I'll try to prove it over time (today hopefully). OK

I've got a picture to upload of some grafts within a 1cm2, lets start with that yeah

Try this one first, these are completely random btw.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2oebcfs5uhv9zp1/50-grafts.jpg

[534623]

How about we count every single hair in recipient area?

Sure, makes sense - counting growing terminal hairs of a hair transplant patient who got 3 weeks ago a hair transplant, sure ... oh, and don't forget to call it "final result" ... lol

[Arashi]

You know what Gaz, a great idea would be to cut out a square cm out of paper, put it on your scalp and shoot a photo.

[Arashi]

Sure, makes sense - counting growing terminal hairs of a hair transplant patient who got 3 weeks ago a hair transplant, sure ... oh, and don't forget to call it "final result" ... lol

After 3 weeks I still had most of my transplanted hair, it started falling out after 3 weeks.