Let's compare Gaz donor pre-op 2012 and post-op 2013, no?

[534623]

Take a look at the photo's.

Just done.

Try to guestimate the size of the recipient area and the amount of hair per cm2.

Just done. Yeah, and?
I can see an even distribution of hair onto a former completely slick bald area; that indicates, that practically everything they implanted so far - produced finally healthy terminal hair.

So, thats how many hairs he's gotten there now ?

Try to find all gc's BEFORE photos and feel free to count all the hairs you can see now - with the help of gc's AFTER photos.

And would that same result have been impossible with FUE ?

Concerning the recipient area result/yield - not at all. Of course it's also possible with normal FUE - basically.

Concerning the look of the donor area thereafter, and THAT'S the point - feel free to compare:

gc's donor area after around 5000 HST grafts:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/s5afwai9hurmxep/Xfiunygcxp/20131004_221743.jpg?token_hash=AAGexrt-ehdbfvKaz6yOF3s8ApyFCQK1mhRnO1sTMGN5kw

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/s5afwai9hurmxep/xqCpmreKPk/20131004_221516.jpg?token_hash=AAGexrt-ehdbfvKaz6yOF3s8ApyFCQK1mhRnO1sTMGN5kw

James Bald's donor area after ???? FUE grafts:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=114967&postcount=181

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12643610/img/12643610.jpg

By the way: Could you please try to guestimate the size of James Bald's recipient area and the amount of hair per cm2? Thanks in advance ...

[didi]

I am looking at the photo above and it looks like there cant be 50 grafts /cm2.

But I thought Hasci implants 30-35 grafts per cm2 on slick bald scalp and that was the case with GC and last procedure was to thicken it up and bring it to 50. Maybe thats wrong.

Anyway,if he has 15 g/cm2 then theres no way GC has 4 000 - 5000 grafts in recipient.

[Arashi]

I am looking at the photo above and it looks like there cant be 50 grafts /cm2.

But I thought Hasci implants 30-35 grafts per cm2 on slick bald scalp and that was the case with GC and last procedure was to thicken it up and bring it to 50. Maybe thats wrong.

Anyway,if he has 15 g/cm2 then theres no way GC has 4 000 - 5000 grafts in recipient.

Reallistically I think he has slightly less than 15g/cm2. Really, try marking what you think is a cm2 on different spots. Reallically, I'd say he has about 15 *hairs*/cm2. I'd also guestimate his recipient to be about 300 cm at best. So that's at best about 4500 hairs in recipient. At 2.5 hairs/grafts (like with a FUE), that would amount to a total of 1800 grafts. So, an 1800 graft FUE would have given the same result.

If anybody disagrees with me, then prove me wrong: do mark a few times a spot on his his scalp that you think is a square cm. Count the hairs. Count an average. And please prove me wrong. I think it's impossible.

[didi]

300cm2..no way.. average NW6 is 200-250 cm2. he was nowhere near NW6.Think Thane.

IMO his bald area was 10cm x 10cm in the worst case scenario, that's 100cm2 and he should have 4500 FUs growing in this area...that's 45 grafts per cm2...

[gc83uk]

Reallistically I think he has slightly less than 15g/cm2. Really, try marking what you think is a cm2 on different spots. Reallically, I'd say he has about 15 *hairs*/cm2. I'd also guestimate his recipient to be about 300 cm at best. So that's at best about 4500 hairs in recipient. At 2.5 hairs/grafts (like with a FUE), that would amount to a total of 1800 grafts. So, an 1800 graft FUE would have given the same result.

If anybody disagrees with me, then prove me wrong: do mark a few times a spot on his his scalp that you think is a square cm. Count the hairs. Count an average. And please prove me wrong. I think it's impossible.

Arashi what are you smoking lol 300cm2

Dude, you're so far off. I'll take some pictures later and upload a 1cm2 area, hows that?

[gc83uk]

300cm2..no way.. average NW6 is 200-250 cm2. he was nowhere near NW6.Think Thane.

IMO his bald area was 10cm x 10cm in the worst case scenario, that's 100cm2 and he should have 4500 FUs growing in this area...that's 45 grafts per cm2...

This is more like it. I will confirm later.

[didi]

GCs bald area was about 80-90cm2. 9cm x 9-10cm.

[gc83uk]

I'll tell you how I know, because the hair piece I wore was 10cm diameter and the hair piece slightly covers the areas with hair.

Admittedly they have put about 700 in the front area which wasn't in the original 100cm2 area. I suppose a few hundred have been lost on the edges, because I asked them to increase the density on the edges to give the appearance of a more natural smooth result, hopefully you follow me there with that.

Also it's worth pointing out that in HST 4, they didn't put any grafts at all in the middle back area. They did the front area, near forelock, about 2 inches back from forelock, all the edges, the front (hairline area) and the also concentrated on the very top-back where there was virtually no hair.

So the area with that Red square 'i think' has only had one pass, which would have been HST 3. You can probably verify from an after HST 4 photo where the grafts were implanted, I'll have to check and see if I have one showing it.

[Arashi]

This is more like it. I will confirm later.

I said AT BEST, Gaz Also that red spot that I painted is really bigger than a square cm. Just making my point, that you need AT BEST (but more probably even less) than 1800 FUE grafts to get your result. Just my point that the results don't look like regrowth at all to me. You'd have depleted your donor, like it is now. And you'd have some basic coverage, like you have now. Just looks like a normal FUE result to me.

[Arashi]

Just done.


Just done. Yeah, and?
I can see an even distribution of hair onto a former completely slick bald area; that indicates, that practically everything they implanted so far - produced finally healthy terminal hair.

Try to find all gc's BEFORE photos and feel free to count all the hairs you can see now - with the help of gc's AFTER photos.



Concerning the recipient area result/yield - not at all. Of course it's also possible with normal FUE - basically.

Concerning the look of the donor area thereafter, and THAT'S the point - feel free to compare:

gc's donor area after around 5000 HST grafts:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/s5afwai9hurmxep/Xfiunygcxp/20131004_221743.jpg?token_hash=AAGexrt-ehdbfvKaz6yOF3s8ApyFCQK1mhRnO1sTMGN5kw

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/s5afwai9hurmxep/xqCpmreKPk/20131004_221516.jpg?token_hash=AAGexrt-ehdbfvKaz6yOF3s8ApyFCQK1mhRnO1sTMGN5kw

James Bald's donor area after ???? FUE grafts:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=114967&postcount=181

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12643610/img/12643610.jpg

By the way: Could you please try to guestimate the size of James Bald's recipient area and the amount of hair per cm2? Thanks in advance ...

If your point is that some FUE can really butcher up your donor and leave huge scars: I totally agree. That's why I think HST is still the best we have. But there's just no evidence at all of any regrowth, quite the contrary in fact. All evidence points us to none to very little regrowth.

[gc83uk]

I said AT BEST, Gaz Also that red spot that I painted is really bigger than a square cm. Just making my point, that you need AT BEST (but more probably even less) than 1800 FUE grafts to get your result. Just my point that the results don't look like regrowth at all to me. You'd have depleted your donor, like it is now. And you'd have some basic coverage, like you have now. Just looks like a normal FUE result to me.

You said 300 at best, I'm telling you straight that it's nowhere near 300. I'm not referring to anything else.

[Arashi]

You said 300 at best, I'm telling you straight that it's nowhere near 300. I'm not referring to anything else.

I believe you man Just didnt want to underestimate it and have the discussion with people that they though I underestimated it I was just pointing out a best case scenario.

[gc83uk]

I believe you man Just didnt want to underestimate it and have the discussion with people that they though I underestimated it I was just pointing out a best case scenario.

lol ok

[didi]

Now things look even worse, 15 grafts/cm2 and theres was 100cm2 bald spot,suggests many grafts didn't grow.

[gc83uk]

I said AT BEST, Gaz Also that red spot that I painted is really bigger than a square cm.

I'm pretty sure the red square here is closer to 0.5 to 0.75 of a cm.