It 's over. Dr. Mwamba confirmed Nigam!

[hellouser]

You've made good effort here Hellouser, I think most people would surely agree. I've seen you post similar statements though, like we're all to blame that there's no cure. I think that's just over the top and entering Ironman territory. And I just don't think you really mean it. Anyway enough about that.

Its all in semantics. Of course I dont mean everyone, I wouldnt include guys like Desmond, Gaz, members on private forums who are trialing potentially cancerous treatments, JJJJrs, and even IronMan. These guys bring in a wealth of information that contributes to our search for a solution, I've tried doing anything/everything I can and really want to push the crowdfunding initiative with my marketing and graphic design experience. Just like adam k said, god knows nobody is going to help, we need to end this disease ourselves, which is why I really want all of us to come together and end this nightmare but far too many people are unwilling and letting finasteride get a pass. Yeah, I know it works, its not even debatable, at this point I'd say its the best treatment and easily the most effective PROVEN treatment. But I've also said before that once a cure comes out (follicle multiplication, neogenesis via wounding, stem cells etc) finasteride WILL be seen as a shit treatment and I'm going to stick to that because anything short of a cure in 2014 (we're getting close) is unacceptable to me and should be for everyone else considering the lousy side effects everything else has:

Fin: impotence, libido, depression, brain fog, gyno, weight gain, etc
Minox: shedding, wrinkled skin, flaking, itchiness
CB: potential skin atrophy
FUT: strip scar, donor loss
FUE: moth eaten look and some scarring, donor loss
RU: brain fog, gyno, etc. same symptoms as FIN

You know, I think many of us are allowing the sides to slide is because we're so damn desperate that we value our hair too much that we jeopardize other areas of our health. Any outsider who isnt balding would look at that list and say 'damn, those are some SHIT treatments' especially considering that no NW7 has gone to NW2 or below. Now, I'm not an NW7, but I do feel for everyone, so I'll basically say whats on everyones mind as noones willing to say it.

Sometimes though, seeing how my hair loss has affected me, I wish I could pause a moment in my life, step back and say 'This is not my life.' I'm sure many other balding guys feel very much the same. Recently I met a guy in Toronto who's also going through MPB, and while his hair loss isnt as severe as mine, I can tell its affected him negatively.

Theres millions of us... a multi billion dollary industry thats taking the piss out of us as most of that money is being funnelled into treatments thats absolute shit and all the while society LAUGHS at our misfortune. We're not a joke. I won't stand for that. I want to see every snake oil con artist salesman get their fair karma, I want to see these bastards suffer the way so many of us have for so many years.... and I'm only two years into my treatments... but god damn it, I do NOT want to allow any more years of my life, limited as it may be in time, go by worrying about this shit and being socially gimped.

[clandestine]

I'm a fan of hellouser's no bullshit approach.

It's time to get mad, boys.

[greatjob!]

Its all in semantics. Of course I dont mean everyone, I wouldnt include guys like Desmond, Gaz, members on private forums who are trialing potentially cancerous treatments, JJJJrs, and even IronMan. These guys bring in a wealth of information that contributes to our search for a solution, I've tried doing anything/everything I can and really want to push the crowdfunding initiative with my marketing and graphic design experience. Just like adam k said, god knows nobody is going to help, we need to end this disease ourselves, which is why I really want all of us to come together and end this nightmare but far too many people are unwilling and letting finasteride get a pass. Yeah, I know it works, its not even debatable, at this point I'd say its the best treatment and easily the most effective PROVEN treatment. But I've also said before that once a cure comes out (follicle multiplication, neogenesis via wounding, stem cells etc) finasteride WILL be seen as a shit treatment and I'm going to stick to that because anything short of a cure in 2014 (we're getting close) is unacceptable to me and should be for everyone else considering the lousy side effects everything else has:

Fin: impotence, libido, depression, brain fog, gyno, weight gain, etc
Minox: shedding, wrinkled skin, flaking, itchiness
CB: potential skin atrophy
FUT: strip scar, donor loss
FUE: moth eaten look and some scarring, donor loss
RU: brain fog, gyno, etc. same symptoms as FIN

You know, I think many of us are allowing the sides to slide is because we're so damn desperate that we value our hair too much that we jeopardize other areas of our health. Any outsider who isnt balding would look at that list and say 'damn, those are some SHIT treatments' especially considering that no NW7 has gone to NW2 or below. Now, I'm not an NW7, but I do feel for everyone, so I'll basically say whats on everyones mind as noones willing to say it.

Sometimes though, seeing how my hair loss has affected me, I wish I could pause a moment in my life, step back and say 'This is not my life.' I'm sure many other balding guys feel very much the same. Recently I met a guy in Toronto who's also going through MPB, and while his hair loss isnt as severe as mine, I can tell its affected him negatively.

Theres millions of us... a multi billion dollary industry thats taking the piss out of us as most of that money is being funnelled into treatments thats absolute shit and all the while society LAUGHS at our misfortune. We're not a joke. I won't stand for that. I want to see every snake oil con artist salesman get their fair karma, I want to see these bastards suffer the way so many of us have for so many years.... and I'm only two years into my treatments... but god damn it, I do NOT want to allow any more years of my life, limited as it may be in time, go by worrying about this shit and being socially gimped.

I don't disagree with any of this. What I disagree with is you calling people out as the reason there is no cure because they haven't kicked down the doors at Merck or are simply using fin because it's their best option or you freaking out at the mere mention of fin, when you continually inject it into every thread.

Propecia was an epic commercial failure, it's not preventing any new treatment from coming to market. Using fin does not make you complacent or guilty of suppressing a cure. You are one of the better members here, but you're out of line telling me or any other member here that they are responsible for the lack of a cure. Who the f**k do you think you are? King of the baldies?

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Its all in semantics. Of course I dont mean everyone, I wouldnt include guys like Desmond, Gaz, members on private forums who are trialing potentially cancerous treatments, JJJJrs, and even IronMan. These guys bring in a wealth of information that contributes to our search for a solution, I've tried doing anything/everything I can and really want to push the crowdfunding initiative with my marketing and graphic design experience. Just like adam k said, god knows nobody is going to help, we need to end this disease ourselves, which is why I really want all of us to come together and end this nightmare but far too many people are unwilling and letting finasteride get a pass. Yeah, I know it works, its not even debatable, at this point I'd say its the best treatment and easily the most effective PROVEN treatment. But I've also said before that once a cure comes out (follicle multiplication, neogenesis via wounding, stem cells etc) finasteride WILL be seen as a shit treatment and I'm going to stick to that because anything short of a cure in 2014 (we're getting close) is unacceptable to me and should be for everyone else considering the lousy side effects everything else has:

Fin: impotence, libido, depression, brain fog, gyno, weight gain, etc
Minox: shedding, wrinkled skin, flaking, itchiness
CB: potential skin atrophy
FUT: strip scar, donor loss
FUE: moth eaten look and some scarring, donor loss
RU: brain fog, gyno, etc. same symptoms as FIN

You know, I think many of us are allowing the sides to slide is because we're so damn desperate that we value our hair too much that we jeopardize other areas of our health. Any outsider who isnt balding would look at that list and say 'damn, those are some SHIT treatments' especially considering that no NW7 has gone to NW2 or below. Now, I'm not an NW7, but I do feel for everyone, so I'll basically say whats on everyones mind as noones willing to say it.

Sometimes though, seeing how my hair loss has affected me, I wish I could pause a moment in my life, step back and say 'This is not my life.' I'm sure many other balding guys feel very much the same. Recently I met a guy in Toronto who's also going through MPB, and while his hair loss isnt as severe as mine, I can tell its affected him negatively.

Theres millions of us... a multi billion dollary industry thats taking the piss out of us as most of that money is being funnelled into treatments thats absolute shit and all the while society LAUGHS at our misfortune. We're not a joke. I won't stand for that. I want to see every snake oil con artist salesman get their fair karma, I want to see these bastards suffer the way so many of us have for so many years.... and I'm only two years into my treatments... but god damn it, I do NOT want to allow any more years of my life, limited as it may be in time, go by worrying about this shit and being socially gimped.

You didn't list some of the major setbacks with half of these limited treatments:

Fin: is ineffective at regrowing new hair
Minox: is an absolute joke at regrowing new hair
FUT: Borderline barbaric, maximally-invasive, cannot create anything close to a full head of hair, costs a ridiculous amount of money
FUE: Very invasive, cannot create anything close to a full head of hair, costs a ridiculous amount of money

[534623]

You didn't list some of the major setbacks with half of these limited treatments:

Fin: is ineffective at regrowing new hair
Minox: is an absolute joke at regrowing new hair
FUT: Borderline barbaric, maximally-invasive, cannot create anything close to a full head of hair, costs a ridiculous amount of money
FUE: Very invasive, cannot create anything close to a full head of hair, costs a ridiculous amount of money

Sorry for the stupid question, because I didn't follow this thread closely, but is all this what Dr. Mwamba confirmed from Nigam's clinic? Is all that the reason why it's over (or not over)?

[greatjob!]

Sorry for the stupid question, because I didn't follow this thread closely, but is all this what Dr. Mwamba confirmed from Nigam's clinic? Is all that the reason why it's over (or not over)?

I can never tell if you're trolling or serious, but no Dr. Mwamba hasn't confirmed jack shit. He seems positive and is going to investigate it further himself, but no it's not over, the op should be shot for making such a stupid title.

[534623]

I can never tell if you're trolling or serious, but no Dr. Mwamba hasn't confirmed jack shit. He seems positive and is going to investigate it further himself, but no it's not over, the op should be shot for making such a stupid title.

Ah, thanks - now I understand ...

http://youtu.be/71vqGyWTs3c

[FearTheLoss]

So Tom, or Dr. Nigam if you are reading this, sorry you probably didn't get to see my question a few pages back because of the childish bickering that took up numerous pages...


BUT, when are you, Tom, going to see Dr. Mwamba? Also, is Dr. Mwamba testing on his own patients? and Dr. Nigam, when do you and Dr. Mwamba plan on having all of the licensing and what not done so he can offer it in his clinic?

Thanks, FTL

[jay woo]

It looks like Dr Mwamba will be testing the methods used by Dr. Nigam to see that the results are acceptable. I am not sure what success will come from the tests. Threads on this forum indicate techniques that would not be legal in most countries are required for Dr Nigams techniques to work. If it was possible to achieve doubling without the use of stem cell or growth factors it might be a possibility to see the technique in Europe. This is all based on an assumption that the technique works.

[drnigams]

FearTheLoss,
This is the proposed plan..

1)Mwamba&Nigam Doubling clinic..at brussels.

2)Dr Mwamba,will be doing few patch tests..on 3 different types of doubling at brussels or mumbai,document it,get approval from institutional and ethics commitee to do the same...

The first part of doubling can be done at brussels,
but for the multiplied stem cells,2d/3d dp culture and growth factor injections..patient will have to fly to mumbai ,due to the regulatory issues in europe.

Gerd,earlier this year,explained me and gave me the links...what is possible and what is not in europe as a medical procedure at a doctors clinic..with same day extraction and activation of cells,

will also contact and give all the details to european and american regulatory authoritiues..and seek their guidelines..

3)Dr Mwamba is coming back to mumbai in november.

4)Dr mwamba is following two cases,

He already saw,bisected grafts of tom growing at the donor(Tom has confirmed these are bisected grafts( infront of his own eyes and not split grafts),

Tom was already shaved at his donor at brussels before coming to mumbai..and his pics were taken at brussels.

Tom will visit mwamba once a month or followup analysis.

We also did a patch test with invitro doubling on dr mwambas staff ,who was slick bald..his pics are also taken by him..

I also showed dr mwamba..15 grafts test case..(with thorough explanation,as he was already following up this case,he met the person ,also saw the regrowth with HM on his frontal scalp..plus regrowth at donor and recipient),
he could clearly see that even after using a wider punch.. there were no white dots..or motten appearance after fue extraction..same holds true for tom's donor(3months ).

Atleast shortly, you will have first time, outside mumbai..scarless fue at mwambas clinic at brussels..may be by december..

but doubling will probably start after the test cases are completed and results analysed..i do not know ,how much time it will take..

Remember ,the above is what we have agreed in principal..how things will work out in the future..only time will tell...

Dr mwamba may also, probably , open a new clinic at atlanta,usa..in 2014 .

So Tom, or Dr. Nigam if you are reading this, sorry you probably didn't get to see my question a few pages back because of the childish bickering that took up numerous pages...


BUT, when are you, Tom, going to see Dr. Mwamba? Also, is Dr. Mwamba testing on his own patients? and Dr. Nigam, when do you and Dr. Mwamba plan on having all of the licensing and what not done so he can offer it in his clinic?

Thanks, FTL

[caddarik79]

FearTheLoss,
This is the proposed plan..

1)Mwamba&Nigam Doubling clinic..at brussels.

2)Dr Mwamba,will be doing few patch tests..on 3 different types of doubling at brussels or mumbai,document it,get approval from institutional and ethics commitee to do the same...

The first part of doubling can be done at brussels,
but for the multiplied stem cells,2d/3d dp culture and growth factor injections..patient will have to fly to mumbai ,due to the regulatory issues in europe.

Gerd,earlier this year,explained me and gave me the links...what is possible and what is not in europe as a medical procedure at a doctors clinic..with same day extraction and activation of cells,

will also contact and give all the details to european and american regulatory authoritiues..and seek their guidelines..

3)Dr Mwamba is coming back to mumbai in november.

4)Dr mwamba is following two cases,

He already saw,bisected grafts of tom growing at the donor(Tom has confirmed these are bisected grafts( infront of his own eyes and not split grafts),

Tom was already shaved at his donor at brussels before coming to mumbai..and his pics were taken at brussels.

Tom will visit mwamba once a month or followup analysis.

We also did a patch test with invitro doubling on dr mwambas staff ,who was slick bald..his pics are also taken by him..

I also showed dr mwamba..15 grafts test case..(with thorough explanation,as he was already following up this case,he met the person ,also saw the regrowth with HM on his frontal scalp..plus regrowth at donor and recipient),
he could clearly see that even after using a wider punch.. there were no white dots..or motten appearance after fue extraction..same holds true for tom's donor(3months ).

Atleast shortly, you will have first time, outside mumbai..scarless fue at mwambas clinic at brussels..may be by december..

but doubling will probably start after the test cases are completed and results analysed..i do not know ,how much time it will take..

Remember ,the above is what we have agreed in principal..how things will work out in the future..only time will tell...

Dr mwamba may also, probably , open a new clinic at atlanta,usa..in 2014 .

Dear Dr Nigam,


I think, scareless FUE is not what we need or are looking for.
We need proper hair doubling and you said that you can do 100% regen hair doubling.

Why would these promises turn into something much lower?

Dr Mwamba is a very talented FUE doc, all we need is him being able to guarantee high generation level.

Dr Gho is bashed but advertises 85% regen (even if really controversed)... what we need is at least, someone who can provide these 85% regen for real or even better!!!

I repeat, you said many times with loads of confidence that you beat Gho and can promise 100% regen... why does it always have to change?

[drnigams]

Cadderick,
There seems to be some communication gap..

Invitro doubling can give you near 100% donor regen like fue(with a variable of 5% to10%)
Why near 100% percent,is because of manual error,regen may vary max. by 10%.
Invivo can give70% regen at recipient and near 100% at the donor.

DE-NOVO DOUBLING CAN GIVE 100% REGEN AT RECIPIENT(LIKE FUE) AND APPROX.60% AT THE DONOR.

REGENERAION MAY DIFFER BY 10% PATIENT TO PATIENT,DOCTOR TO DOCTOR OR TECHNICIAN TO TECHNICIAN WHO PERFORMS THE PROCEDURE.

I READ ..WHEN MWAMBA SPOKE ABOUT 60% REGEN,HE WAS TALKING ABOUT REGEN AT DONOR BY DE-NOVO METHOD.

I know few of you will ask ,what is denovo doubling..

When i say atleast (within few months )you will have scarless fue at europe..that does not mean..i said that you won't have doubling in europe...it will happen..but will take time for mwamba to start offering..unless he completes his studies under ethical committee and institutional committee watch..to claim regeneration..at his clinic.

I am on your side,and totally with hellouser..when he says nothing short of.. good doubling REGEN or hair multiplication ..will be acceptable..!

I am not here to to just give hope..but like you all...want this to happen..and take my words this will happen...

I will be posting few more photos of nw5/6/7..for the members to finalize..as arashi has raised doubt on the patient i selected..so wold avoid that patient as the test case,,as suggested by gc.




D

Dear Dr Nigam,


I think, scareless FUE is not what we need or are looking for.
We need proper hair doubling and you said that you can do 100% regen hair doubling.


Tese promises turn into something much lower?

Dr Mwamba is a very talented FUE doc, all we need is him being able to guarantee high generation level.

Dr Gho is bashed but advertises 85% regen (even if really controversed)... what we need is at least, someone who can provide these 85% regen for real or even better!!!

I repeat, you said many times with loads of confidence that you beat Gho and can promise 100% regen... why does it always have to change?

[caddarik79]

Cadderick,
There seems to be some communication gap..

Invitro doubling can give you near 100% donor regen like fue(with a variable of 5% to10%)
Why near 100% percent,is because of manual error,regen may vary max. by 10%.
Invivo can give70% regen at recipient and near 100% at the donor.

DE-NOVO DOUBLING CAN GIVE 100% REGEN AT RECIPIENT(LIKE FUE) AND APPROX.60% AT THE DONOR.

REGENERAION MAY DIFFER BY 10% PATIENT TO PATIENT,DOCTOR TO DOCTOR OR TECHNICIAN TO TECHNICIAN WHO PERFORMS THE PROCEDURE.

I READ ..WHEN MWAMBA SPOKE ABOUT 60% REGEN,HE WAS TALKING ABOUT REGEN AT DONOR BY DE-NOVO METHOD.

I know few of you will ask ,what is denovo doubling..

When i say atleast (within few months )you will have scarless fue at europe..that does not mean..i said that you won't have doubling in europe...it will happen..but will take time for mwamba to start offering..unless he completes his studies under ethical committee and institutional committee watch..to claim regeneration..at his clinic.

I am on your side,and totally with hellouser..when he says nothing short of.. good doubling REGEN or hair multiplication ..will be acceptable..!

I am not here to to just give hope..but like you all...want this to happen..and take my words this will happen...

I will be posting few more photos of nw5/6/7..for the members to finalize..as arashi has raised doubt on the patient i selected..so wold avoid that patient as the test case,,as suggested by gc.




D

Thank you Doctor Nigam,


The day this will be official, you can count me as a future patient.
I live in Belgium, so I could even promote Mwamba around and make good positive noise about this cutting edge treatment.

I had one HST already, I'm not a Gho basher, I have no opinion anymore about his regen cause it's sooo controversial.
I'll do like Arashi and put myself on hold until either Gho demonstrates 85% and answer for good to bashers and show a NW6 NW1 transformation, but I mean, a real one.

If GC case shows very good donor after his fifth HST, I might jump for a second but I really hope meanwhile, you and Mwamba will bring something even better.

it's time for hair loss sufferers abusers to close their fraud business...

It's time that people wake up, stop giving money for pills or topicals, it's time for either Hair doubling offering very high regen and a cure step by step or H multiplication, to be the new golden treatment that will make its creator Billionnaire!!!!

even if I trust you are passionnated and don't do that for money!!!

Prices should stay reasonnable.... (I did not say cheap... but reasonnable)


So really Dr Nigam or Mwamba, take my words:

HST today is the best option, if you have better, more documented, higher regen and less controversial... people will chose you;

If Gho wakes up and starts to consider the wish that people have to see a real transformation (cause saying that the 13.000 grafts patient does not want to show, is very easy and made it awkward)... he will be another strong lever for us.

If we have three or four different masters of regen, it's fine, each of us will chose the one he feels!!!!
But please, let's throw normal FUE in the toilet!!!

it's also true that it's been one year of claims already, I know you need time, but there will really come a moment where we will need concrete things so that we can decide to be treated by you or Mwamba.... it's really intersting to follow though!

[didi]

Invitro doubling can give you near 100% donor regen like fue(with a variable of 5% to10%)
Why near 100% percent,is because of manual error,regen may vary max. by 10%.
Invivo can give70% regen at recipient and near 100% at the donor.

DE-NOVO DOUBLING CAN GIVE 100% REGEN AT RECIPIENT(LIKE FUE) AND APPROX.60% AT THE DONOR.



Dr Nigam,


It seems like invitro version of doubling is the best option since it gives patient near 100% donor regeneration and 90%+ recipient growth. Am I right?
Why would anyone go for invivo or denovo when they have lower regeneration rate?
That's sounds too good to be true, I mean it is a cure for HL.

Is Dr Bhatti going to offer doubling?

[locke999]

Can someone explain what regeneration and doubling mean?

Is it cutting a hair follicle in half and both halfs grow to full size again so that you add a net amount of hair to your head.

Or is it just a hair follicle cut it half and you place one half at the recipient and keep one half at the donor. Which means that there double the amount of hair follicle but the net amount of hair will still be the same. If this is what it means then this procedure isn't really doing anything.