gc83uk's september '13 procedure.

[Arashi]

Well I'll see how I look donor wise in a few months before I decide for sure that I'll be back next year, but it is the plan.

I am all for living for today, I would even move hair from unsafe areas for the short term gain, is that mad?

Just look at your result !! You not only look incredible much better, you've got your life back, as you word it yourself. And I can totally understand it. So you did good. I'm happy I went too. But at the same time, I won't go anytime soon again, cause I need my donor for later on. If regrowth would be 85&#37; I'd be making my appointment right now. With < 30% regrowth you have to be careful how you use your donor.

[caddarik79]

I guess Joling is still worried about whether or not Dr. Gho

- splitted his hair
- splitted his follicles
- splitted his grafts
- transected his follicles
- made tons of "failed extractions"
- didn't click and count correctly
- produced lots of "single hairs"
- etc
- etc

Poor Mr. Joling ...

hahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!

[didi]

I guess Joling is still worried about whether or not Dr. Gho

- splitted his hair
- splitted his follicles
- splitted his grafts
- transected his follicles
- made tons of "failed extractions"
- didn't click and count correctly
- produced lots of "single hairs"
- etc
- etc

Poor Mr. Joling ...

I think GHO Splitted FUs indeed

[gc83uk]

Oh don't get me wrong. HASCI's procedure still is the best thing out there. I wouldn't go with anything else. Just saying with < 30&#37; regrowth it's very far from being a cure. You need to think very careful how you use your grafts cause they're still extremely limited.

And yes, I do feel cheated. They promised us 85%.

Well I'll see how I look donor wise in a few months before I decide for sure that I'll be back next year, but it is the plan.

I am all for living for today, I would even move hair from unsafe areas for the short term gain, is that mad?

With HM coming at some point, I can fix my donor and any other gaps in the future if needed.

[gc83uk]

you guys have good case for refund, get a good solicitor on no win no charge basis ...you have proof

That would never work.

[Arashi]

Has anybody ever proved more than 0&#37; regrowth unequivocally?

Bare in mind 0% would be a great result for FUE

Just playing devils advocate

Oh don't get me wrong. HASCI's procedure still is the best thing out there. I wouldn't go with anything else. Just saying with < 30% regrowth it's very far from being a cure. You need to think very careful how you use your grafts cause they're still extremely limited.

And yes, I do feel cheated. They promised us 85%.

[didi]

you guys have good case for refund, get a good solicitor on no win no charge basis ...you have proof

[534623]

Joling got three but got two FUT before that... for a guy who got 5 procedures in total, his donor looks quiet alright.
http://www.gerardjoling.nl/2013/zome...niet-voorbij/#

I guess Joling is still worried about whether or not Dr. Gho

- splitted his hair
- splitted his follicles
- splitted his grafts
- transected his follicles
- made tons of "failed extractions"
- didn't click and count correctly
- produced lots of "single hairs"
- etc
- etc

Poor Mr. Joling ...

[gc83uk]

Exactly. So the real percentage will be below 30%

Has anybody ever proved more than 0% regrowth unequivocally?

Bare in mind 0% would be a great result for FUE

Just playing devils advocate

[Arashi]

and that's assuming 100% regrowth in recip??? nobody counted recip yet

Exactly. So the real percentage will be below 30%

[didi]

"So, let's say all grafts grow in recipient. That's 1000 hairs in recipient. Let's look at donor. with 500 graft we'll see 1000 extraction sites. In these extraction sites we see that 65&#37; grows back, so we see 1300 hairs growing back there. In those 1000 extraction sites once were 2000 hairs. So we've lost 700 hairs in donor to get 1000 in recipient. That's effectively of 1000 hairs 300 growing back, which is effectively 30% regrowth, unlike the 15% I mentioned earlier. So yes that's a bit better. But still nowhere the 85% HASCI promised us. "


and that's assuming 100% regrowth in recip??? nobody counted recip yet

[gc83uk]

that's why this whole counting thing makes me feel like it's useless, we will see the back of your head after HST5 + 3 months or 6 months... if it still looks almost pristine and you have density and full coverage, it's a succes and it gives credit.

Joling got three but got two FUT before that... for a guy who got 5 procedures in total, his donor looks quiet alright.

http://www.gerardjoling.nl/2013/zomer-nog-lang-niet-voorbij/#

did you read what I wrote about Pierre by the way?

Yes I did, thanks for explaining. I would love to meet that 13,000 graft guy.

The thing with that Pierre guy, he doesn't truly know either. He is just using the basis that a company wouldn't be able to carry on if it was tricking so many people.

But proving against it is very difficult.

On what basis does he think you can have 28,000 grafts? What does he know that we don't?

[Arashi]

I think IM is right, its 80&#37;....failed extractions are irrelevant, they grow anyway

No, he's not. Let's look at it with an example. Let's look at a 500 graft HST and let's assume 2 hairs/graft (that last doesn't matter but it's just for the example).

So, let's say all grafts grow in recipient. That's 1000 hairs in recipient. Let's look at donor. with 500 graft we'll see 1000 extraction sites. In these extraction sites we see that 65% grows back, so we see 1300 hairs growing back there. In those 1000 extraction sites once were 2000 hairs. So we've lost 700 hairs in donor to get 1000 in recipient. That's effectively of 1000 hairs 300 growing back, which is effectively 30% regrowth, unlike the 15% I mentioned earlier. So yes that's a bit better. But still nowhere the 85% HASCI promised us.

But keep in mind, this examples assumes ALL grafts grow in recipient !! Which most likely is not true, so the real number will be below 30% regrowth.

[didi]

2300 extraction points for 1300 grafts


WOOW...that's huuuge number...its almost 2 holes per 1 graft...


so when counting we start with -1000,-999......so we basically count 1000 growing FUs before we reach zero '0'......cause there were 1000 failed extractions....you with me?

then REAL counting starts.....then recipient

[caddarik79]

Personally I think Hasci have done me a great service, so I'm slightly biased and I'll continue to go back next year unless some other miracle comes to fruition. As explained numerous times.

But I don't understand this 80&#37; argument. If you cut the FU's with a Blade and pierce the skin under each FU, do this to 1000 FU's. Then take photo and it looks like 1000 extractions, of course they resemble failed extractions and it will give you 100% regrowth. This is the only point I'm making here.

Yes it maybe 80 - 85% as a whole, but I think most people are more concerned with what the % is of successful extractions.

that's why this whole counting thing makes me feel like it's useless, we will see the back of your head after HST5 + 3 months or 6 months... if it still looks almost pristine and you have density and full coverage, it's a succes and it gives credit.

Joling got three but got two FUT before that... for a guy who got 5 procedures in total, his donor looks quiet alright.

http://www.gerardjoling.nl/2013/zomer-nog-lang-niet-voorbij/#

did you read what I wrote about Pierre by the way?