a second HST session in september

[sausage]

I'd be interested to hear the outcome of that. I think if you wanted 3000 in one day, then you would either have to:
a) Have a very large donor area (Big head)
b) Basically tell them you're willing to take a risk that the donor growth might be compromised and waiver them any responsibility if you don't get the regrowth.

That's the way I see it.

The other problem is time. I'm pretty sure 3000 would take at least 12 hours, that's from personal experience and from others have said here, some have been in the clinic for 8-10 hours just for 1400-1800 grafts.

I think you're best bet would be to ask them to do it over 2 days. 1400-1500 per day.

What Norwood level are you?

If this is the case...I don't really understand why they are so against doing 3000 grafts in one session.......why I hear you ask.......

Just go on their website.....

First of all click on 'Hair Stem Cell Transplantation'. Scroll to the bottom of the page. Look at the table they have created showing how HST compares to FUE and FUT.........Look under 'Maximum grafts per day' and it says 3000. If they are not keen or don't do up to 3000 grafts a day then this is false advertising and concerns me that other things they claim may be false too.

And also as I have already mentioned, their pricing chart goes up to 3000 grafts and gets cheaper after having 1800, how can any customer (who needs over 1800 grafts) take advantage of these cheaper grafts if the clinic only do up do 1800 grafts.

I understand I will need to get in contact with HASCI about this but just based on your experience and those of others it is a little concerning.

PS. Can anyone access the 'rates' page on the HASCI website, it has failed to open for me for the past 2 days.

Also, I am a NW6 so yes I need a lot of grafts. As Gho claims 85% regrowth then this method should be fine for me. Whereas surgeons doing FUE have told me they would only be able to extract 3000 grafts which isn't enough.....with Gho I can extract 6000 grafts and will only lose 15% of that due to the 85% regrowth, so I would lose just 900 grafts from the back of my head whereas FUE would have taken 3000 from me.

[caddarik79]

hmmm...actually, you bring up an interesting point:

When you look at the (current) price list, this price list is, in fact, actually "unfair" for all those (poor) guys, who have

- rather limited donor supply (they are simply unable to get more than around 1500 grafts per procedure -if at all- out from YOUR donor area, due to etc etc etc)

- at the same time, these guys will need, on the other hand, TONS of grafts (NW 5-6 candidates etc) in general, to get, finally, an adequate coverage one day.

The only way, to get what you "suggested", would/could be

1) a kind of CONTRACT with the HSI; that means, you undersign a contract, for let's say at least 3 or 4 procedures to get the "benefit" of the lower price per graft.

2) Another suggestion would be that as soon as you go for a 2nd, 3rd etc session (without any contract), you will simply get a better price per graft - or something.

Anyway, unfortunately, all these suggestions are currently NOT the case (you have always to pay the current price per graft!) - at least to the best of my knowledge.

true that it would be nice from them to considering lowering the prices for people who do more than one procedure.
And also true that it's a bit segregative, some people have less donor and will pay more...

I was wondering about the price evolution...democratisation, last time...
Need compretitors for that, and for the moment, it's rather empty.

[534623]

or can you pay for 6000 grafts in one go [aka "in advance"] therefore taking advantage of the £2.25 per graft fees.

hmmm...actually, you bring up an interesting point:

When you look at the (current) price list, this price list is, in fact, actually "unfair" for all those (poor) guys, who have

- rather limited donor supply (they are simply unable to get more than around 1500 grafts per procedure -if at all- out from YOUR donor area, due to etc etc etc)

- at the same time, these guys will need, on the other hand, TONS of grafts (NW 5-6 candidates etc) in general, to get, finally, an adequate coverage one day.

The only way, to get what you "suggested", would/could be

1) a kind of CONTRACT with the HSI; that means, you undersign a contract, for let's say at least 3 or 4 procedures to get the "benefit" of the lower price per graft.

2) Another suggestion would be that as soon as you go for a 2nd, 3rd etc session (without any contract), you will simply get a better price per graft - or something.

Anyway, unfortunately, all these suggestions are currently NOT the case (you have always to pay the current price per graft!) - at least to the best of my knowledge.

[gc83uk]

ok, so surely he or more specifically the surgeons at the clinic would do 3000 grafts in a day if the patient wanted that many grafts?

I'd be interested to hear the outcome of that. I think if you wanted 3000 in one day, then you would either have to:
a) Have a very large donor area (Big head)
b) Basically tell them you're willing to take a risk that the donor growth might be compromised and waiver them any responsibility if you don't get the regrowth.

That's the way I see it.

The other problem is time. I'm pretty sure 3000 would take at least 12 hours, that's from personal experience and from others have said here, some have been in the clinic for 8-10 hours just for 1400-1800 grafts.

I think you're best bet would be to ask them to do it over 2 days. 1400-1500 per day.

What Norwood level are you?

[sausage]

First off, approx 10 people off this forum including myself have been to Gho, he hasn't given more than 1800 grafts per time to anybody as far as I know. He prefers to be conservative on the first procedure.

They also prefer to wait 9 months between procedures, however I have gone back sooner on a couple of occasions only by a month or 2, but if you decide to go back within the recommended time frame, then you might compromise some of the regrowth in the donor, personally I think 6 months is ok, but I'm not a Dr!

What NW are you? Any pics?

To answer your question on the fees, yes you'd have to do 3000 grafts in 1 day to benefit from the lower per graft price. You can't spread the 3000 grafts over 2 days, it would just be the price of 1500 grafts each day.

ok, so surely he or more specifically the surgeons at the clinic would do 3000 grafts in a day if the patient wanted that many grafts?

[gc83uk]

Yo Guys, I am considering a GHO procedure........

I see he limits his clinics to doing max 3000 grafts per day.....

I see the fees are:

1800 grafts = £8300

1800+ = £2.25 per graft

Due to the fact that they do 3000 grafts a day max, does that mean you can only pay for 3000 grafts at a time?......which therefore mean for future procedures you have to start again with the fees reset?

or can you pay for 6000 grafts in one go therefore taking advantage of the £2.25 per graft fees.

I would like to think it is the latter but thought I'd check.

Also do you know how soon after the first 3000 grafts that they would do the second 3000? Could it be as soon as the next day?

First off, approx 10 people off this forum including myself have been to Gho, he hasn't given more than 1800 grafts per time to anybody as far as I know. He prefers to be conservative on the first procedure.

They also prefer to wait 9 months between procedures, however I have gone back sooner on a couple of occasions only by a month or 2, but if you decide to go back within the recommended time frame, then you might compromise some of the regrowth in the donor, personally I think 6 months is ok, but I'm not a Dr!

What NW are you? Any pics?

To answer your question on the fees, yes you'd have to do 3000 grafts in 1 day to benefit from the lower per graft price. You can't spread the 3000 grafts over 2 days, it would just be the price of 1500 grafts each day.

[sausage]

Yo Guys, I am considering a GHO procedure........

I see he limits his clinics to doing max 3000 grafts per day.....

I see the fees are:

1800 grafts = £8300

1800+ = £2.25 per graft

Due to the fact that they do 3000 grafts a day max, does that mean you can only pay for 3000 grafts at a time?......which therefore mean for future procedures you have to start again with the fees reset?

or can you pay for 6000 grafts in one go therefore taking advantage of the £2.25 per graft fees.

I would like to think it is the latter but thought I'd check.

Also do you know how soon after the first 3000 grafts that they would do the second 3000? Could it be as soon as the next day?

[Arashi]

Caddarik, immediately postop gc's procedure we can count how many times they needed to drill in order to get how many grafts. If these numbers a very close than thats a good indication that his regowth percentage was good last time. Even more if we wait 2 months we'll know how regrowth was for his last session. The only missing factor then will be recipient. But like said i am going to compare my postop fotos to my final situation so that should be enough for me to make a decision by the end of this year.

[FearTheLoss]

I also believe Dr. Wesley's scarless pilofocus technique is going to blow HST out of the water. I believe he's going to get 50%+ regeneration and COMPLETELY SCARLESS.




GAMECHANGER!!!!

AMERICAA!!!!!!!!!

[FearTheLoss]

I think this is a very pessimistic view. Both Team Tokyo and Jahoda et all already multiplied hair. They 'just' need to get it through trials and optimize it, which should take less than 10 years.

I hope you're right brother, but I'm just going off of what Team Tokyo said to a few users in their email and that was "10-20" years until it hits the market.

[caddarik79]

How come that we willknow about the failed extraction in september? I don't see the link?

Yes, I'm a bit annoyed, I expected to have a denser head of hair for this new year but you are right, we will have much more material to feel comfortable or not by next year...
I mighyt then even decide to see the outcome of GC June procedure...

It will oblige us to keep being happy with our first HST, there are some hair lenght where I see a real improvement, weirdly.

In the meantime, I will take good care of my existing hair, vitamins B, biotin, some aminexil or minoxidil cure in seasonal time... it will always be waaaayyy cheaper than a second HST...

And if in the end, we are reassured about the 85% regen, then I can easily go for another one or two or three... if necessary.

The bonus would be a breaktrough good news from both Nigam and Mousseigne, but for the moment, I am focused on Gho, they are the more legit for today.... but bonus or good surprises are welcome.

Gosh, what a never ending strategy with MBP!!! but long term view already saved me from touchin finasteride or whatever poison, snake oils.

[Arashi]

do you plan to wait another one year if necessary? (just a question)
Because then, if you talk about being cautious which I respect in the light of your arguments/spéculations, it's better to even wait until GC did his June session, and see what's left in donor...

Like said,by september we'll know how many failed extractions gc83uk had in his last procedure. By end of the year we'll know about his donor regrowth. And indeed, by july next year we'll know about recipient growth. However, like said, I have a fairly good shot of my recipient immediately after surgery, I'm going to compare that to my 'final' result in a few months, so that should give me a good idea about recipient growth. Combined with GC's data and Tom's results, I think I/you/we can make a good decision by the end of the year on how to proceed.

[caddarik79]

I see the refusal of my boss for my holidays in september as a sign...

Maybe the coming months are crucial, and it's better to hold on and see...
In the meantime, GC will have rebuild his head of hair, we should party for that when he is done ;-) (forum party, with tons of smileeeyyys, LOL)

One year is a lot of time and in the same time, it goes very fast!!!!

[caddarik79]

do you plan to wait another one year if necessary? (just a question)
Because then, if you talk about being cautious which I respect in the light of your arguments/spéculations, it's better to even wait until GC did his June session, and see what's left in donor...

I am very split

1. I can not believe they run business on false claims, especially with price of treatments.
2. Your spéculations are having a bit of weight due to their lack of transparency and big 10k grafts patients gallery.

[Arashi]

True hair multiplication is 10-20 years away...

I think this is a very pessimistic view. Both Team Tokyo and Jahoda et all already multiplied hair. They 'just' need to get it through trials and optimize it, which should take less than 10 years.